Anonymous #1 14w

Whether or not another country pursues Nuclear weapons is nobody’s business, but especially not Israel’s business

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Anonymous #2 14w

This is the stupidest thing I’ve read since I graded my last exam in May, congratulations.

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Anonymous #1 14w

Almost every Arab country is beholden to the U.S. so of course they aren’t going to say anything. I do acknowledge that Iran isn’t popular in the region & their government is horrible too. At the same time it’s rich that the country who’s an apartheid & currently doing a genocide claims it has to start a war in order to prevent being nuked. Iran would not nuke Tel Aviv even if they had nukes

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Anonymous OP 14w

My prayer is that you are never forced to discover how incorrect you are, although if it happens you’d probably just say the Israelis drove Iran to this by killing their nuclear scientists and retaliating against the regime that props up Hezbollah and Hamas.

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Anonymous #1 14w

Yes I get it Israel is always the victim & does everything in self defense everyone is simply antisemitic. Israel did a preemptive apartheid and genocide to protect itself from future antisemitism.

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Anonymous OP 14w

I mean, I was thinking you would only retroactively try to justify Israel getting nuked if it actually happened, but thanks for exceeding my expectations I guess.

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Anonymous #1 14w

The hypocrisy is insane bc Israel violated the NPT to have nukes, so why shouldn’t Iran? It’s not unreasonable

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Anonymous #1 14w

No one should nuke anyone never said Israel should be nuked. I just think your inane for thinking that Iran would nuke Israel & they everyone has an issue with Israel simply because they’re antisemitic & nothing else. Hell Hezbollah & Hamas who you brought up as examples are byproducts of Israel’s horrible actions in the reason. You should look up blowback

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Anonymous #2 14w

The obvious answer is that Israel shouldn’t have nukes either, but at least haven’t used their armament to blackmail or annihilate neighbors whereas Iran has repeatedly signaled their intent to do so. Theocratic authoritarian dictatorships who profess intent to annihilate neighbor states should not be allowed by the community of nations to develop nuclear power of any kind. Neither is this unreasonable.

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Anonymous OP 14w

*region

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Anonymous #1 14w

That’s crazy & hypocritical considering that Israel is an apartheid state doing & genocide & has illegally annexed territory from its neighbor.

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Anonymous OP 14w

1. Not an apartheid state, but conducting a military occupation. 2. Offered to give conquered territory back if their neighbors recognized their legitimacy and did not continue to attack, were given the finger. You can be critical of Israel and what’s going on in Gaza without just changing the meaning of words and making up or deleting parts of history as necessary.

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Anonymous #1 14w

Israel is indeed an apartheid state

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Anonymous #2 14w

Could you define apartheid for me?

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Anonymous #1 14w

lol of course you deny the apartheid & genocide. Of course you want a war with Iran. Zionist are so depraved it’s insane. Crazy how every major Human Rights organization globally says Israel is an apartheid state committing a genocide including the Israeli one Btselem. Let me guess you believe you know more than all of them & they are leaving out history? Hell even Holocaust historians say Israel is doing a genocide. Western Doctors on the ground talk about Israel targeting kids

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Anonymous OP 14w

Considering the only time I’ve mentioned Gaza is to say you can be critical of it without making shit up, which you did, this seems like hyper triggered projection.

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Anonymous #1 14w

Your the one denying the apartheid & advocating for a illegal occupation so idk how you can claim I’m projecting

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Anonymous OP 14w

Where did I advocate for the occupation? I listed the historical events that have caused it continue for so long - namely, the Arab states rejecting Israel’s offer to return the territory in exchange for peace. Can you please define apartheid for me?

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Anonymous #1 14w

You literally are acting the illegal military occupation is just. Also you’re lying about Israel wanting to give back land if that was true why would it keep building illegal settlements? How can you claim that Israel wanted to do the right thing & return the land while it continues to illegally take land. How does that make sense? Jewish Israelis legally have more rights in Israel & the West Bank. Hey do you believe every major Human Rights organization including the Israeli one are lying &

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Anonymous OP 14w

Can you explain why they would all lie about Israel?

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Anonymous OP 14w

Could you point out where I said that, to prove you’re not just shadowboxing with every Zionist you’ve ever made up in your head? The offer to return the land predates the settlements, it is not currently standing, and I never said it was. The settlements are bad and expansion should stop, and my hope is that the settlements that exist can be returned to an eventual Palestinian state with some land swap deals. Could you please define apartheid for me?

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Anonymous #1 14w

I’m not shadowboxing unless you you’re saying you don’t support Israel doing a genocide & that their actions are unjust & you also believe Israel should completely stop its actions right now. If that’s what you’re claiming then I will admit I was wrong & apologize Bro the settlements were first built in 1965 if I remember correctly and they have never stopped. So it’s safe to say that Israel had no intention on returning any land considering how it was founded Go back to my last reply about

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Anonymous OP 14w

The apartheid

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Anonymous OP 14w

The first settlement was in 1967, the re-establishment of a Jewish community at Kfar Etzion that was evacuated when Jordan conquered the West Bank in 1948. Settlement began after the Khartoum Resolution (when the Arab states rejected return of the land in exchange for peace.) I’m happy to talk about the apartheid if you’d be willing to just define what you consider apartheid to be, so that I can make sure we’re not arguing about a word that we define differently.

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Anonymous #1 14w

I define apartheid as a system of laws or policies that segregates or discriminates between residents of a nation on the basis of an immutable characteristic such as race or religion.

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Anonymous #1 14w

Thank you I knew I was close with 1965 but figured I might be off by a year or 2. Yeah I know Avi Shlaim had talked about the Khartoum Resolution I just couldn’t remember my dates. Although he didn’t characterize as a simple rejection of peace

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Anonymous OP 14w

As for your definition of Apartheid idk how that was any way different than what I had said earlier. Lastly what about the shadow boxing thing?

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Anonymous OP 14w

So when you said “Jewish Israelis legally have more rights in Israel & the West Bank” was that your definition of apartheid? I don’t support anyone doing a genocide, and I support a swift end to the war in Gaza and an administration of the territory that leads to its complete independence.

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Anonymous #1 14w

Also if that was your definition of apartheid we can talk about how my definition is different, I’d just like you to commit to a definition.

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Anonymous #1 14w

Sorry no that’s not how I would describe an apartheid since it’s obviously not only unique to Israel hence the name. That was just was very surface level response for why Israel is specifically called an apartheid by every major human rights organization including the Israeli one. Which you seem to believe are either all lying or are all bad at their job & not knowledgeable. Great so you agree Israel is currently committing a genocide & has the power to stop its actions in Gaza at any time.

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Anonymous OP 14w

Along with the fact that Israel actions in Gaza were unjust to begin with. Yes please tell me what you think is different?

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Anonymous OP 14w

So, if that was not your definition, just asking you to define it before we talk about it. If you’ve already defined it somewhere else, could you please point me to that comment because I missed it. If you can’t do that I think the conversation’s run its course.

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Anonymous #1 14w

Got it sorry that was my definition for why Israel is an apartheid at a surface level but it sounds like you want my general definition of an apartheid not why every major human rights organization says Israel is an apartheid, is that correct? An apartheid is legalized system of discrimination to a group due to immutable characteristics. That's my general definition assuming that's what you want instead of my what I said earlier which was Israel focused

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Gotcha. Since we seem to mostly agree on the definition, could you describe the immutable characteristics that separate Palestinians in Israel (who are full citizens with voting rights but due to the association with Palestinians in Gaza and the WB increasingly call themselves Israeli Arabs) and Palestinians in Gaza/WB?

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Anonymous #1 14w

I would say there’s no difference between the 3 as far as what immutable characteristics. Now there’s a difference in how those immutable characteristics are treated between the 3 but the immutable characteristics are the same

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Anonymous OP 14w

Also idk if I missed it but did you agree that Israel is doing a genocide & it’s actions Gaza are & have been unjustifiable on top of the fact that Israel has the power to end it’s current genocide at any time.

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Anonymous OP 14w

So we both acknowledge that Palestinians in Israel and Palestinians in Gaza/WB are the same people, as an ethnic group. Since you’re not arguing with my assertion that Arab Israelis are full citizens with equal rights can I assume you don’t contest that? If that’s the case, can you explain why the supposed apartheid rules are applied to some Palestinians and not others?

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Anonymous #1 14w

While Arabs in Israeli proper can vote I wouldn’t say they have equal rights or are treated equally in Israel proper. Black men had the right to vote in America for a long time but the civil rights movement was still necessary

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Anonymous OP 14w

Ok, then could you give me some examples of the rights that Jewish Israelis have that Arab Israeli citizens don’t?

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Anonymous #1 14w

Yeah I mean there’s the obvious one which Zionist alway says doesn’t matter but Israel says that only Jews within its borders have the right to self determination. There’s the fact that Arabs are barred from being their family from the occupied territories over or if they marry someone from the occupied territories they can’t get citizenship or move to Israel proper. It was stated by Knesset members that this was done to prevent Palestinians from having a right to return equivalent. There’s

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Anonymous OP 14w

Also discrimination when it comes to housing due to things like the committee’s law if I’m remembering the name correctly

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Anonymous OP 14w

Gotcha, so the nation-state law (while I disagree with it) is symbolic and does not have any real world effects that you could call apartheid. Discrimination in housing does not have the force of law and is not specific to Palestinians, Mizrahi Jews are also victims of this. If we’re so far down at the bottom of the barrel saying that it’s “apartheid” that Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank can’t immigrate into Israel fully then I think I have better things to do with my Friday afternoon 🤣

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Anonymous #1 14w

Got so you’re saying you guys are just racist to Arabs no big deal my B you’re right nothing to see here. Obviously it’s worse in the occupied territories but they still don’t have equal rights in Israel proper. Also housing discrimination is huge and is protected by the laws. Also denying right to return & or having separation for Palestinians getting married to separate them from their families or hopefully get them to leave is bad.

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Anonymous OP 14w

Also you never answered my question about Israel doing a genocide

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Anonymous OP 14w

Correct, I never did.

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