Anonymous #1 1w

Okay. Now every window or piece of glass in the universe is now also a screen. It doesn’t need power or electricity but will function as such as long as god intends it too. Not to mention I didn’t say every screen connected to power or the internet. I said every screen. On or off. Powered or unpowered. Connected or not. Did the elites also defy the laws of physics? Did they transform all glass into a visage of the beyond? Did a virus just so happen to also infect non functional devices?

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Anonymous #1 1w

He could reshape a continent if he wanted. Or appear to everyone individually all at once, in person. Not mind control, just literally walking up to them individually all at once.

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Anonymous mushy.the.mushroom 1w

Why should I believe that what the vision is saying is true? It could be aliens trying to trick me, or ghosts, or a lovecraftian unknowable entity, or a trickster god like Loki. Perhaps its a test from the Islamic God to see if I will fall into Shirk.

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Anonymous #1 1w

For the screens, who knows what remote tech has been created in secret labs? Maybe 6g could beam images direct to a screen like a projector. Its a great plan for world control For the continent, I have faith in science that we will figure out how that happened. Just like we used to think the earth was flat we will figure iut how it moved so fast, like a giant earthquake

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Anonymous #1 1w

Remote tech that changes glass into a screen? No.

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Anonymous #1 1w

That’s stupid.

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Anonymous #1 1w

“Maybe 6g can beam images direct to a screen like a projector” Yea man maybe I shit fucking rainbows, but that doesn’t change the fact that’s not how radio signals work. Your problem is that the real world is equally as esoteric as religion for you. You have no idea how anything works and could feasibly be convinced of anything.

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Anonymous mushy.the.mushroom 1w

We have remote tech that changes cloth into a screen, literally what the first was. CRT’s were based on the idea of shooting beams at class to illumine it. Any glass that I cant figure out I can just dismiss as mis-remembering given the mass nature and panic of the event. I dont believe it was *every* glass, just most, and memory filled in the gaps for certain people

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Anonymous #1 1w

Im not trying to say that it wouldnt be something that would convince you, i’m saying that its something that is disputable, that will leave people still skeptical.

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Anonymous #1 1w

right but you can be skeptical of anything. Including empirical reality.

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Anonymous #1 1w

There’s nothing at all that’s indisputable. Any old dipshit could walk up and argue that the moon is actually made of cheese, and you could never change his mind.

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Anonymous mushy.the.mushroom 1w

Yes

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Anonymous #1 1w

So what’s your point? If anything doesn’t this kind of hurt the argument for god?

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Anonymous #2 1w

Unironically true

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So you agree then that personally appearing for each and every person on earth wouldn’t violate free will?

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Anonymous mushy.the.mushroom 1w

The point is to show that even if He did reveal Himself in the way people say they want, its no guarantee they would actually be brought to repentance. How so?

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Anonymous #1 1w

So you agree just projecting his face and voice onto every piece of glass, or literally physically manifesting in front of someone is both something god is capable of and something that wouldn’t violate the ability for humans to choose god of their own free will??

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Anonymous #1 1w

Because just like you said. Appearing for every single human personally wouldn’t guarantee salvation. Therefore it wouldn’t violate free willz

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Anonymous mushy.the.mushroom 1w

*will.

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Anonymous mushy.the.mushroom 1w

If we take scripture as a true account (which seems reasonable for the discussion), every time God revealed Himself to humanity in a sweeping way, it ended up to the detriment of the majority of their own souls. Which, due to their knowledge, they are liable for. Pre-flood people were having kids with fallen angels from God’s host, then at Babel they were trying to control God with a temple, then Israel turned almost immediately to worshiping a golden calf…

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Anonymous #1 1w

then they tried to use the ark to force God to win their battle for them, then God was incarnate and we crucified Him.

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Anonymous #1 1w

Basically, when humans see God we dont tend to say “now I will love you and my neighbor” we say “now I will either try and control you, get rid of you, or set myself above you”

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Anonymous #1 1w

You knew better than to answer my question.

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Anonymous #1 1w

Which means internally you know it makes no sense that god wouldn’t reveal himself, and are choosing to cope by claiming the Bible suggests something it doesn’t actually suggest at all. (Assumedly we both read it.)

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Anonymous #1 1w

“Even if god did show himself to us, it wouldn’t guarantee salvation” Okay. But it would make it really easy to be saved. “WELL YEAH BUT IF WE DID THAT HE WOULD ACTUALLY ALL START WORSHIPPING BAAL” Bullshit.

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Anonymous mushy.the.mushroom 1w

You posted while I was typing We cant know how it would affect the salvation of people specifically, but if we extrapolate from how people have behaved preciously then it seems reasonably fair that God’s current plan is better than a grander revelation.

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Anonymous #1 1w

That’s cope.

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Anonymous #1 1w

I see zero reason to believe that.

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Anonymous mushy.the.mushroom 1w

How so? The Bible is pretty clear about it, and we cant talk about the God of the Bible revealing Himself without assuming the Bible to be an accurate account.

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Anonymous #1 1w

Very clear by your own very convenient interpretation that just so happens to cover your ass. But not explicit. Because it’s not true.

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Anonymous #1 1w

Also, to fully answer everything you asked. Appearing as described wouldnt violate free will, but wouldnt necessarily guarantee a better outcome either.

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Anonymous mushy.the.mushroom 1w

Whats not explicit/not true?

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Anonymous #1 1w

What about Mount Sinai. Solomon’s temple. Elijah on Mount carmel? I could go on. All examples of god presenting his power to a population and it working out.

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Anonymous mushy.the.mushroom 1w

You mean this Solomon? 1 Kings 9-10 Even though the Lord, the God of Israel, had appeared to Solomon twice and had commanded him not to worship foreign gods, Solomon did not obey the Lord but turned away from him. So the Lord was angry with Solomon 11 and said to him, “Because you have deliberately broken your covenant with me and disobeyed my commands, I promise that I will take the kingdom away from you and give it to one of your officials.”

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Anonymous #1 1w

I’m talking about the heavenly fire at the dedication of Solomon’s temple

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Anonymous #1 1w

You mean this Sinai? “Exodus 32 When the people saw that Moses was so long in coming down from the mountain, they gathered around Aaron and said, “Come, make us gods who will go before us. As for this fellow Moses who brought us up out of Egypt, we don’t know what has happened to him.”

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Anonymous #1 1w

Exodus 24:7

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Anonymous #1 1w

“And that the lord has spoken we will do, and we will be obedient.”

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Anonymous #1 1w

Not to mention the story of Baal in the Bible is LITERALLY all about how god used his power to SHOW the heathens that he was more powerful. That was the WHOLE point. The people wavered between god and Baal, and chose god after he sent fire to consume the sacrifice Elijah prayed for.

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Anonymous #1 1w

“The lord, he is god; the lord, he is god” They literally cried for him after he showed baals followers his power. And you use that story to try and justify why god CANT show himself to us? Cope.

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Anonymous mushy.the.mushroom 1w

My point isnt that God can never act ever, its that its better for us in our weakness that He be sparse and reserved. Exodus 24 comes right before 32, where they break their word and are removed from the land for a generation because if it. at Carmel Jezebel immediately sends for Elijah to be killed, and Ahab does nothing to stop her. Some people do fall down, which happens every time the Lord appears, but often they turn the moment something else comes up. Also please stop being rude

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Anonymous #1 1w

Ohhhh yeah. That’s definitely why we never see any evidence of god, despite the fact that he supposedly revealed himself constantly in the Bible.

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Anonymous #1 1w

Okay.

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Anonymous mushy.the.mushroom 1w

There are tons of people that will testify to having experienced God. Also the bible does show an ever diminishing level of direct revelation. In Maccabees the re-consecrated temple does not have God appear as He did the first time, and people are quite concerned about whats up with that. Its why the Pharisees became a thing. Literally from the start of humanity God hasnt been behaving as we would have liked, telling us we shouldnt eat from the tree? Who does He think He is? We clearlyknow best

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Anonymous #1 1w

Oh sure many people will testify. But still, there’s no actual evidence.

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Anonymous #1 1w

Thank you.

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Anonymous mushy.the.mushroom 1w

Testimony is evidence in every court of law in the world

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Anonymous #1 1w

Right but it’s evidence in zero natural science lmao.

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Anonymous #1 1w

If this was a court case between me and god, I would win by default, because god wouldn’t show up.

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Anonymous mushy.the.mushroom 1w

Technically the Christian God was brought to court, convicted even. Unfortunately the US courts cannot serve Him papers due to Him no longer having a single temporospacial location. Any advanced physical science is largely based on testimony, due to the limited access to tools and information. I believe the neutron exists, but I have never actually done any experiments to prove so. History is also non-replicable yet we believe Socrates existed, yet you cannot run a Socrates test

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