Anonymous #1 6d

MAGA isn’t helping themselves

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Anonymous #2 6d

you chose the wrong side you piece of shit

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Anonymous #2 6d

So you’re just gonna conveniently ignore how the young republicans group chat got leaked where they word for word advocated for gassing people to death and liking hitler? Or called rape epic. Or how someone literally tried to murder LGBTQ people for making fun of charlie kirk? Or what about Trump pardoning people who admitted to beating police officers on jan 6?

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Anonymous #4 6d

Finally, someone is level headed in this chat…

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Anonymous #4 6d

i'm done tolerating people who don't want me alive

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Why aren’t you condemning any of what the right has said in this thread,

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Anonymous #3 6d

Because I refuse to start a real verbal fight. But since you are asking for it, there are things about MAGA I don’t like, and that’s why I’m not ideologically aligned with their values 100%.

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Anonymous OP 6d

Holy shit you are brain washed, if you genuinely believe people on the right want you to die then you are just so clueless about the real world

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Anonymous #1 6d

I didn’t ask you to say you didn’t like some things they do. Trump called leftists and dems the enemy from within and stated he wanted the military to use blue cities as training grounds jan 6ers called to hang someone they called for a civil war after kirk died. Condemn that. Right now

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Anonymous #4 6d

I agree with you in spirit, but there’s a line. Sure, people are absolutely welcome to have different ideas and opinions. Discussing and debating differing opinions helps everyone to be more educated and have a more well rounded worldview. But when your “policies” directly harm everyday people, threaten their right to exist, and try to dictate who you can love or how you live your life, those aren’t good intentions based on logic. They’re actions based on fear and hate

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Anonymous perry_theplatypus 6d

So no, I cannot recognize humanity in that

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Anonymous perry_theplatypus 6d

Those are all just rhetorical talking points spouted by news pundits and agenda driven politicians, it happens on both sides with politicians and media trying to paint their opponents as evil despite the reality being a lot more complex than that

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Anonymous #4 6d

Not a single thing I said was rhetorical, and I can give you examples if you’d really like. I agree, it is very complex. But at the end of the day, it boils down to what I said above: if you’re policies or political opinions are threatening or directly harmful to others, I cannot recognize humanity in that

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Anonymous #4 6d

Apparently advocating for the execution of people is just rhetoric

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Anonymous perry_theplatypus 6d

For example when you say their policies harm every day people, that’s the kinda shit that every politician on both sides say and it loses its meaning. As for the love thing, there is no movement from elected officials to end Gay marriage even if there’s a couple people who do, gay marriage isn’t going anywhere and that rhetoric is just used to scare people into voting.

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Anonymous #3 6d

Who is doing that and who is being executed?

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Anonymous #4 6d

A lawmaker. Someone who has supporters to this day. Is this just rhetoric?

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Anonymous #4 6d

There are efforts and advocations to end gay marriage from officials by the way.

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Anonymous #3 6d

That guy is part of the problem I’m trying to bring up, labeling your opponents as evil and deserving of death,

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Anonymous #4 6d

You’re right again, that is exactly the kind of thing politicians on both sides say. The thing is, those things are based on fact on one side, and on the other are both without fact and used to make people fear anyone who’s different from them. That is the problem.

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Anonymous #3 6d

What officials?

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Anonymous #4 6d

So you acknowledge people are calling for the execution of people they disagree with?

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Anonymous #4 6d

I don’t think anyone is deserving of death, regardless of your beliefs, I agree with you on that. But I’m not gonna just stand there and let shit happen silently, or have any kind of empathy for people who refuse to have it for others

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Anonymous #4 6d

I commented it’s just below. here’s the article https://www.newsweek.com/republican-bid-overturn-gay-marriage-2069064

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Anonymous #3 6d

I don’t know about people but that person did and that’s the entire point I’m making! People like that congressman need to figure out to actually be civil and and not resort to remarks like that which only divides our country more

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Anonymous perry_theplatypus 6d

But see you only say that because you are biased towards your side, this is exactly what I’m saying yall can’t see past your own biases to look at issues in their entirety and understand that everyone has the same goal which is to have a good country and as much as you think the other side is out to get you, they’re probably not. There are some idiots and downright bad people in government sure, but the every day republic and every day democrat is not evil just because they hold an opposing view

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Anonymous #4 6d

Hold on. you said people were brainwashed if they believed that people on the right one of them to die or wanted to overturn gay marriage. Now you’re shifting points. You were wrong. That’s happening on the right, FROM officials. These aren’t single instances. These are just the most recent. So it’s brainwashed to say that republicans are trying to overturn gay marriage even though there are literally republicans doing that?

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Anonymous #4 6d

Your logic isn’t consistent

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Anonymous #4 6d

Man I agree with you. People should be able to figure out how to be civil. But the problem is that people like that congressman refuse to figure that out, and are focused entirely on spreading fear and hate to keep us all divided. I agree that not everyone on either side is evil, I do. But if you think the solution is to ignore the evil people and hope they’ll decide on their own to be civil, you’re the one who can’t look past their own biases friend

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Anonymous perry_theplatypus 6d

It’s good to have conviction and strong opinions, but all I’m saying is that both right and left wingers (average people not politicians) just want what’s best for the country and while I don’t believe everyone is equally moral, whether or not you support a politician shouldn’t bring you to the conclusion that they are bad people on that basis alone.

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Anonymous #4 6d

I don’t know how much clearer I can make this. If you support somebody who is actively working to oppress others, you are working to oppress others. If you aren’t actively condemning that oppression, I’d argue you’re just as complicit. Yeah the average person wants what’s best for the country. But far, far too many just blindly follow whoever they voted for, regardless of what they do or say. They can’t even admit when what’s happening directly affects them.

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Anonymous perry_theplatypus 6d

So if you support trump, and continue to do so, it’s safer to assume that you agree with all of the things he does/says than to try and pick out who specifically only agrees with certain things, or doesn’t care about the big issues

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Anonymous #3 6d

No I said that person was brain washed because he said people wanted him to die (he said nothing about gay marriage) and ya there’s gonna be some cases of officials trying to do stuff like that but not enough to actually overturn it which is why I said gay marriage isn’t going anywhere. 70% of the country supports gay marriage so it just isn’t realistic to say that your opponents are going to overturn it.and once again,

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Anonymous perry_theplatypus 6d

We shouldn’t ignore bad actors, and we do something about it by voting them out of office. And I’m not sure how I can’t look past my biases when I have condemned all of the blatantly evil statements yall showed made by politicians

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Anonymous perry_theplatypus 6d

Again, that’s just bias coming out and I’d say the same if you were on the right saying this. A good rule of thumb is before coming to conclusions about the morality of your opponents, first try to understand their intent from their perspective. That’s the only way we can actually be civil because when you say things like “they’re oppressing people”, that’s the vague rhetoric I’m talking about

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Anonymous perry_theplatypus 6d

I feel like you’re being inconsistent because before you said that mot all people opposed to you are evil, and yet here you say everyone who voted for Trump (over half the country) supports oppressing people? That’s exactly what I’m talking about, Trump supporters aren’t trying to oppress anyone, they didn’t all go to the booth saying “finally oppression!” This is why it’s important to look beyond our tinted glasses and see people for more than their political leanings

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Anonymous #4 6d

If you support ICE abducting people off the street, taking away trans rights, or any of the other awful things that are actively happening, I don’t give a shit about intent. What you’re doing is directly harming real people, with lives and families. And I do appreciate and respect you being able to recognize the evil shit that people are saying. But you gotta understand, there are far too many people who just take those statements blindly as fact. And with that kind of support, scary shit can-

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Anonymous #4 6d

I’m not gonna bother with anything else you’ve said but yall need to learn it wasn’t “over half the country” only like half the country even voted and he didn’t even get half of those votes. It was like maybe a third. And yes most of that third is in support of oppressing others or they were just too stupid to figure out what they were voting for and voted for a color which makes them willfully ignorant and just as bad. There’s a point where ignorance does become indistinguishable from malice

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Anonymous perry_theplatypus 6d

and will happen, unless you actually work to call out and educate people on this kinda thing

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Anonymous perry_theplatypus 6d

The thing is both of those issues you bring up are nuanced and complex and cannot be oversimplified to just “abducting people” or “taking away trans rights” because there are alot of layers to those arguments but you are only looking at it through your own bias, and not objectively. If you want to be able to look at an issue objectively you need to be able to form arguments for both sides, or else you aren’t seeing the full picture

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Anonymous #4 6d

That’s not inconsistency, that’s you not reading my argument. I don’t think everyone who has opposing beliefs is evil. Some of them absolutely are, but not all. Like I said before, whether you support it actively, or turn a blind eye, or don’t care either way, you are a part of the problem. If you’re not actively condemning oppression, you are supporting it

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Anonymous perry_theplatypus 6d

Well I assume you believe oppression is evil so when you say everyone who voted for Trump wants to oppress people it kind of implies you think they’re all evil

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Anonymous #4 6d

Not really all that complex. If unidentified masked men can run rampant across the country arresting anyone they think looks like an illegal immigrant without any kind of due process and deporting them, that is abducting people with more words. Trying to influence or take away a person’s right to express their gender as they see fit, is taking away trans rights with more words. Maybe I’m not 100% objective, but that’s because I’m looking at this as a person with emotions.

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Anonymous perry_theplatypus 6d

If you’re so focused on staying neutral that you think there’s more nuance to issues of basic human rights, you are a part of the problem

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Anonymous #4 6d

Most of the republican party does not actually support gay marriage. You literally tried to say elected officials aren’t trying to overturn gay marriage and that people were brainwashed if they thought the right wanted them to die. That official is on the right. Why are you pretending he isn’t?

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Anonymous perry_theplatypus 6d

Well fist of all no one is stopping you from looking or dressing how you want, but people have different opinions on whether or not a human can change genders which more than half the nation believes isnt possible, and with that issue another thing to consider is the trans children debate which most people don’t believe kids should be able to transition. And you’re bias definitely shows in that first sentence, and it’s difficult to converse with you when you can’t be objective

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Anonymous #4 6d

Literally not what I said. Yes I believe oppression is evil. I said that many people who voted for him voted intentionally for that oppression. I wouldn’t even say they are inherently evil, just misguided. Then there are those who voted for him for whatever other reasons and either ignore/don’t care about/whatever the harmful things he does, are complicit in that. I’m not saying they’re evil

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Anonymous #3 6d

Well you are brainwashed if you think they’re right wants you dead because that’s just an absurd thing to believe, and I did say earlier that while some may want to overturn it the movement isn’t large enough to actually cause it to be overturned.

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Anonymous perry_theplatypus 6d

I mean you literally said that 1. Trump is trying to oppress people 2. Anyone who voted for him is also working to oppress people 3. Everyone who voted for him agrees with him on everything So it didn’t seem like before you were trying to say they were misguided but that they actively support oppression, which given what you told me would make them evil in your eyes

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Anonymous #4 6d

That’s where you’re wrong, because people are trying to do exactly that. And right wing politicians are actively pushing the rhetoric that people who look or dress a certain way are somehow dangerous, which naturally makes them living their lives that much more difficult. Plus, the issue of gender isn’t a matter of opinion. Sex is biological, gender is psychological. They operate independently. Gender isn’t binary. Plus, intersex people exist. Not even biological sex is binary

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Anonymous #4 6d

That’s not what you said actually. You exactly said there’s NO movement from elected officials. And they’re asking SCOTUS to look at it again; you yourself said we should not ignore bad actors within a group so why are you ignoring that you were objectively wrong when you said this wasn’t happening?

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Anonymous perry_theplatypus 6d

Regardless of age, people should be free to explore their own identity without fear, and i will stand by that. Also im curious what of the things i said above tha you consider to be so overly biased

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Anonymous perry_theplatypus 6d

That is your opinion despite saying it isn’t one, over half of the US disagrees with the idea that you can change your gender, and not trying to get into a political argument necessarily but intersex doesn’t prove anything because intersex people still do have one sex it’s just harder to differentiate

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Anonymous #4 6d

It’s a scientific fact actually. I study biomedical sciences as a masters student, going into my second year soon. It’s a well established fact.

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Anonymous #3 6d

Because when I made that claim I was mainly referring to the federal government, where there aren’t calls from republicans (generally speaking) to end gay marriage in the federal government, Trump doesn’t support it and congress doesn’t support it

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Anonymous #4 6d

Also not true. The house is part of the federal government. And outline house republicans signed onto the proposal. You said it wasn’t happening. Here it is, it happened.

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Anonymous #4 6d

You almost had it, except for your third point. I never said everyone who voted for him agrees on everything. I said that some people voted for him for certain reasons and not others. Continuing to support him doesn’t mean you support everything he does, but it does make you complicit in what he’s doing

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Anonymous perry_theplatypus 6d

You show you’re bias when you paint issues as “oppression” and “taking human rights” when that just simply doesn’t objectively frame these issues because if you can’t acknowledge that there is an opposing side with at least understandable criticisms even if you don’t agree, then you can’t be objective

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Anonymous #4 6d

It’s objectively discriminatory behavior to target groups in ways that restrict civil freedoms or individual liberties. That falls under the term of oppressive policy if that occurs.

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Anonymous #3 6d

Well it’s not, and if gender has nothing to do with biology then why would a biomed class help you determine a “social construct”

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Anonymous #4 6d

No, it is a scientific fact. I’ll show you why you’re wrong with a question. If a person is born with XY chromosomes, but can bear children are they a man or a woman?

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Anonymous #4 6d

So do you disagree that due process is a basic human right, regardless of citizenship? Because you’d be disagreeing with the US Constitution. And oppression is defined right there. “Prolonged cruel or unjust treatment” I’d consider that the way ICE operates is objectively cruel and unjust, if you’ve seen any of the countless videos, and it’s ongoing. This is me being objective

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Anonymous #3 6d

I said there might be a small minority of people in the federal government who support it, but republicans GENERALLY do not support it and so it would never pass, that’s the point, that gay marriage isn’t going anywhere

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Anonymous #4 6d

Right, gender isn’t biological. Sex is. That’s what 3 is talking about. Sex being nonbinary is a scientific fact. As is gender being nonbinary from a psychological standpoint

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Anonymous perry_theplatypus 6d

I mean you said “if you support Trump it’s safer to assume you agree with everything he does”

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Anonymous #3 6d

What civil freedoms and individual liberties have been taken away?

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Anonymous #4 6d

Yes. Because, like I said, if you continue to support him, even if you don’t agree, you’re still contributing to the problem. And if you see ten people with MAGA hats, it’s safer to assume they’ll all hate you than to go up and ask each one their opinions on each issue

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Anonymous perry_theplatypus 6d

I mean I guess everyone who voted for Obama are also oppressors because Onamas holding facilities make today’s look like Disney land. And I agree we need due process, in America and I completely understand if you disagree with the way Trump has handled the deportations but painting it as “they’re grabbing random Hispanics off the street” is overtly biased when that’s just obviously not the case, but yea due process it’s important and I definitely hope that changes but it didn’t start with Trump

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Anonymous #4 6d

You didn’t say that lmao. I showed you what you said. “NO MOVEMENT FROM ELECTED OFFICIALS” House republicans signed onto a proposal to strip the SCOTUS ruling on gay marriage.

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Anonymous #4 6d

That’s not an answer to my question respectfully.

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Anonymous perry_theplatypus 6d

I mean that is the divisiveness I’m talking about because when you see 10 Trump supporters you just assume they hate you

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Anonymous #3 6d

Clear as day, no movement apart from a few. A few fringe representatives doesn’t equate to a movement. And there simply isn’t enough support in the house to take shit like that seriously

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Anonymous #3 6d

The point of that statement was that sure you can get upset at Trump over due process and poor conditions for illegals migrants but so has Obama and Biden, so if you are gonna call Trump oppressive you must call them oppressive as well

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Anonymous #4 6d

Your first statement there is just blatantly false. Sure, he did also detain people, and also not in the best conditions, which isn’t something I agree with. But to say that those conditions are worse than those under trump is incorrect, and you’re ignoring important differences in both scope and intent. Obama prioritized illegal immigrants who were also serious legal offenders. Trump is the one who expanded ICE arresting criteria back in 2018 to include everyone here illegally, and created a-

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Anonymous #4 6d

You didn’t say “no movement apart from a few” You said NO movement from elected officials. There was a failed movement from the federally seated officials. See? No “apart from a few” You said “there is NO movement from elected officials” and then gave a hypothetical because you thought it wasn’t happening.

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Anonymous #4 6d

I’d appreciate an answer to my question.

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Anonymous perry_theplatypus 6d

major spike in child and family separation. He actively made the criteria broader, encouraging more aggressive enforcement and racial profiling.

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Anonymous #3 6d

I said there is no movement, even if there are a few that do support it (funny how you didn’t highlight that part), and as I said before, a few fringe republicans doesn’t equate to a movement to end gay marriage because the VAST majority of republican congressman wouldn’t support it,

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Anonymous #4 6d

I find it funny that you think “there’s nothing at all happening, except for the few things happening” is some kinda valid argument. You actively contradicted yourself, you can’t really blame anyone else for interpreting it a certain way. And even if there are only a few, a few is all it takes to start something bigger. Which is why it’s better to call it out and stop it before it gets to that point

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Anonymous #4 6d

Yeah you were objectively incorrect when you said there was no movement. Because there was. House republicans attempted to have SCOTUS overturn gay marriage. That is by definition a movement. You then went on to say even IF this was happening… Well it did happen, you were objectively incorrect when you assumed it didn’t Can you acknowledge that?

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Anonymous perry_theplatypus 6d

And it’s peculiar because he literally said we should not ignore bad actors.

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Anonymous #3 6d

We shouldn’t, and their constituents should vote them out, but the point of my statement where I said there is no movement was speaking broadly on the republicans in congress because the message I was replying to implied that overturning gay marriage is a popular Republican standpoint, which it isn’t and even if some in the government support it, there isn’t enough support for that to ever make it reality, call it a movement if you want I guess I can understand why you feel that way…

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Anonymous #4 6d

But I was more so trying to dispel the idea that it is a Republican position to ban gay marriage because it just isnt

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Anonymous #4 6d

If there are republicans trying to ban gay marriage, that literally makes it a republican position. It may not be the most popular republican position, but it is still an active republican position

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Anonymous #4 6d

If doesn’t matter your intention. You said an incorrect statement. You claimed it didn’t happen and it wasn’t happening. There are new efforts from the same republicans that are currently being written up, there was already a failed movement from these house republicans. Movements aren’t determined by numbers alone. As for the other incorrect statement a Gallup poll found that only around 41% of republicans support gay marriage. That’s less than half. A majority do not.

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Anonymous perry_theplatypus 6d

No, just because a small number of republicans support something doesn’t make it the Republican position, just as when a Democrat proposes some looney piece of legislation it doesn’t mean that that that’s the stance of the entire party, if you want to know the Republican positions just look at the Republican manifesto

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Anonymous #3 6d

I wonder why it failed? The republicans have the majority in the house, which should tell you it’s because REPUBLICANS voted against it

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Anonymous #4 6d

Let’s hear some of these “looney pieces of legislation” from democrats. I’m genuinely curious. And if you say anything about lowering the cost of education, or something similar in that vein, I’m sorry but I will laugh at you

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Anonymous #4 6d

You did not do what I asked. You said it did not happen. I showed you it did Do you acknowledge that objectively you were incorrect?

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don't you fucking tell me to do shit bitch ass

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“I won’t respect people’s opinions when they directly call for people like me to be persecuted” “Watch yo tone boah, so much for the ‘tolerant left’…. im moving to japan because its very sugoi desu..” What have i just witnessed

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Anonymous OP 6d

Literally nobody wants to kill you breh

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Anonymous #8 6d

Unless you’re trans

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Anonymous #8 6d

Or an illegal immigrant

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Anonymous #8 6d

Or a democratic official

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Anonymous #8 6d

Or LGBTQ

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Anonymous #9 6d

triggered

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Anonymous #4 6d

“Reprehensible” and it’s kids getting lunch in school. “Reprehensible” and it’s people getting to marry the love of their life. “Reprehensible” and it’s women having basic human rights.

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Anonymous OP 6d

i don't want you to die. i don't know why you think "republicans" want you dead.

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Anonymous #12 6d

whether you like it or not, a LOT of recent maga people owe their extremism to the left. people tend to have innate opinions on certain things (that are often politicalized unfortunately) and one of those is the belief in diversity of opinion. there are varying degrees to this, its not necessarily about the right to have a hateful opinion (tho it is for some) but to have any opinion that differs from the majority. some people believe to their core that this should be protected (im not one of

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Anonymous #2 6d

The Republican Party literally wants people like me dead.

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Anonymous #4 6d

Remember when the Jan 6ers were, en masse, chanting to hang Mike Pence? Peperidge Farm remembers…

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Anonymous #12 6d

those btw) but these people have been picked up by the republican party in mass since 2019. they truly believe the culture they observe on the internet reflects reality, so when they see posts like this that generalize and demonize all republicans (a party that existed long before trump) they get pushed further and further right. its unfortunate but true -someone who lives in a VERY maga city, and who’s spent the past 6 years watching maga brainwash her parents and has made it her personal

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Anonymous #12 6d

mission to figure out how that happened

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Anonymous #9 6d

Jesus would never say, “lol shut up atheist” :)

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Anonymous #12 6d

the fact im not even sure if its conservatives or liberals downvoting me here is rlly funny to me. god forbid a girl breaks outta the binary to talk about issues

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Anonymous #12 6d

im a liberal btw… if that wasnt clear… i just want to actually start winning elections so i feel the need to call out when my party unintentionally contributes to a phenomenon that pushes people further right

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Anonymous #4 6d

Saying ‘everyone has the same goal’ is implying that the ends justify the means. If two people both want the same thing but one is willing to hurt others for it, they are not the same.

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Anonymous #13 6d

Probably because trump said he hates his opponents and doesn’t want what’s best for them.

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Anonymous #10 6d

just because im a republican doesn't mean i support trump and it definitely doesn't mean i support him saying that. i really don't know why im being downvoted for saying i don't want OP to die.

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Anonymous #13 6d

Did you vote for him?

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Anonymous moderatemonkey 6d

no i voted for kamala

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Anonymous #13 6d

Straight up, I don’t believe you.💀

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Anonymous moderatemonkey 6d

great. i have been nothing but respectful and gave you literally no reason to discredit my words, but you don't believe me. i voted for kamala, not that it mattered because i am in pennsylvania. i was more liberal at the time hence me wanting her to win. if i had to vote now i wouldn't vote for trump but i probably wouldn't vote for her again either. again, not that it matters seeing my state went red. people can change their beliefs, it happens.

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Anonymous #16 6d

I mean who is hurting who

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Anonymous #4 5d

But conservatives literally say they want people to die

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Anonymous #21 5d

But that’s *literally* incorrect.

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Anonymous #21 5d

I promise you no normal conservative wants people to die. I’m gonna say it again, Absolutely ZERO normal run of the mill republicans (the wide majority) want people dead.

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Anonymous #4 5d

It’s so clear you’re unable to be unbiased

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Anonymous #8 5d

So at first it was “nobody” now it’s “nobody normal” goalpost moved

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Anonymous #8 5d

So again, you said “literally nobody” now you’re saying “nobody except for these people who have tried to kill you or are in positions of power who have said they want to kill you”

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Anonymous #3 5d

Right lol that’s so funny to me

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Anonymous #22 5d

and die?

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Anonymous #1 4d

Surprised this based take isn’t downvoted to oblivion like I usually see

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