Anonymous #1 13w

When has that ever stopped anyone?

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Obama using drone strikes to strategically target terrorist groups within a country is entirely different than directly attacking a sovereign country’s resources.

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Anonymous #2 13w

It won’t go on for more than 60 (maybe 90) days without Congress’s consent.

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Anonymous #4 13w

Obama bombed civilian hospitals.

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Anonymous #4 13w

It’s pretty similar to be fair

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Anonymous OP 13w

The DWB airstrike that everybody loves to refer to when bringing up that point was a mistake. The military and the administration owned up to that. The context around it is imperative to actually understanding the situation. Barack Obama did not order targeted strikes on civilian hospitals. I’m not even an Obama stan, but the fact this has to be explained to people is as alarming as Trump’s action.

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Anonymous #7 13w

Are you going to wave your Iranian flag in the streets?

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Anonymous #1 13w

No, I’m going to call my senators about this illegal bombing of a sovereign nation’s resources.

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Anonymous #7 13w

“Senator, the US shouldn’t be impeding Iran’s nuclear ambitions.”

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Anonymous #1 13w

MAGA clown not a single thought

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Anonymous #1 13w

I should be annoyed that you think that “Iran shouldn’t have nukes” and “starting illegal wars is bad” are mutually exclusive positions, but I regularly forget just how stupid you Trump supporters are.

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Anonymous #1 13w

I hope they fucking conscript you

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Anonymous #7 13w

Who says this military mission was illegal?

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Anonymous #5 13w

Israeli intelligence is preeminent.

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Anonymous #1 13w

Under what executive powers did Trump authorize this strike? Congress has yet to declare war on Iran.

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Anonymous #7 13w

He is the commander and chief of the military, it doesn’t matter what congress says. Congress only has the authority to declare war, trump and any president can bomb whoever the fuck he wants whenever he wants to because that’s his job. He’s not declaring war on iran he’s simply authorizing a bombing fully within his powers as president

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Anonymous OP 13w

Source??

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Anonymous OP 13w

How is bombing a sovereign nation not an act of war?

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Anonymous #7 13w

My source on the president having military power to bomb a country without congress declaring war? fucking school? are you aware congress has declared war twice? are you aware of how many presidents have bombed another country since congress last declared a war? are you new to the united states? did you take US history? did you take any history? any government class? my source is common knowledge but if you need something the fucking constitution of the united states. article 2 section 2

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Anonymous OP 13w

Are you trying to get me to defend the last 100 years of US foreign policy? Fuck off with those whataboutisms.

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Anonymous #1 13w

Oh cool nice law did you know the highest law of the land is our constitution

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Anonymous OP 13w

Also, article 2 section 2 just refers to tactical decisions.

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Anonymous #7 13w

Same

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Anonymous #5 13w

Has the US declared war on Iran?

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obama was pretty bad but that was also post 9/11 with osama still alive so

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Anonymous #1 13w

You’re showing a very small portion of the War Powers Act; this is technically only supposed to be invoked if we’ve been attacked.

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Anonymous #1 13w

the Vietnam war had no formal declaration. Nor did the Korean war or either of our conflicts in Afghanistan and Iraq

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Anonymous #8 13w

I am not a trump supporter

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Anonymous #1 13w

the US didn’t give a formal declaration for the Korean or Vietnam war, or for Afghanistan or Iraq

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?? so do I? I’m saying a formal declaration doesn’t matter

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Anonymous #7 13w

Why are you hedging with the word “technically”?

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Anonymous #1 13w

Because you and I both know that it’s been interpreted rather flexibility in the past.

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Anonymous #7 13w

wait, but that’s not what the resolution states

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Anonymous #11 13w

Can you clarify your issue?

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Anonymous #7 13w

what is the part after the semicolon about? I may just be misinterpreting

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Anonymous #11 13w

I’m saying that the President can only do acts of war without the approval of congress if the United States has been attacked.

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Anonymous #7 13w

Either the War Powers Resolution expressly prohibits offensive measures or it doesn’t. There is no maybe yes, maybe no.

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Anonymous #7 13w

ah i’m just misinterpreting. very sorry, feel free to downvote

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Anonymous #1 13w

Sure, and I fundamentally disagree with both your interpretation and the way that past presidents have invoked it.

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Anonymous #11 13w

All good; it happens on here.

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Anonymous #4 12w

ugh ok, the analogy i’ve heard is “for every room where Republicans are eating babies, Democrats are in the next room over putting babies on a plate” yeah Trump is even more aggressive. But Obama normalized and created the infrastructure for the drone wars. Biden set the stage for head-on war with Iran. US foreign policy is basically uniparty.

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Anonymous stethosc0pe 12w

“Biden set the stage” Trump ripped up the Iran Nuclear deal

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Anonymous #13 12w

and killed solemani

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Anonymous #13 12w

yes 100%. and Biden chose not to recommit us to the deal.

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Anonymous #7 12w

“Illegal bombing of a sovereign nation’s resources”??? Are you fucking kidding me? You mean a terrorist state’s nuclear weapons program? You sound like an Iranian apologist terrorist. Fuck Iran

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Anonymous stethosc0pe 12w

It isn’t so straightforward. https://www.wsj.com/opinion/iran-nuclear-deal-biden-blinken-jcpoa-ebrahim-raisi-khamenei-11628539180

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Anonymous #14 12w

Blinded by absolute hatred for Israel.

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Anonymous #14 12w

Again, it sounds like you think that wanting a president who follows the laws of his country and disliking the Iranian government are mutually exclusive positions. Wack.

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Anonymous #1 12w

Ah yes, we’re going from debating law to psychologizing. A+

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Anonymous #1 12w

yeah this is bs. the RS article explains why Iran had good reason to be skeptical by August 2021, not least bc in April 2021, Israel attacked one of the same sites we bombed today bottom line: Trump unilaterally pulled America from the deal. Biden should’ve unilaterally re-entered the deal in January. His failure directly led to what’s happening now.

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Anonymous #7 12w

virtually every modern US president has unconstitutionally gone to war without Congressional approval, in violation of the War Powers Act. every modern US president has directly enabled war crimes. idk why the people arguing with #7 are confused here

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Anonymous stethosc0pe 12w

Just Trump supporters pretending rule-of law isn’t a thing; what else is new

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Anonymous stethosc0pe 12w

You cannot blame Biden for this. That would be foolish. That administration has other things to focus on and there usually is some hope that things would remain peaceful without us intervention

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Anonymous #15 12w

ok i already explained this dynamic in this thread. Biden put the baby on the plate. Trump is now eating the baby. It’s both their faults.

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Anonymous #7 12w

you don’t need a source to know that bro

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Anonymous #7 12w

don’t think that was the point

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Anonymous #14 12w

say it louder for the people in the back

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You mean World War III isn’t imminent? Preposterous!

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