Anonymous #1 6w

I guess understanding the concept of transgenderism got a lot easier with your reasoning

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Anonymous ___joker__ 6w

yea quote me like the gospel

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Anonymous #1 6w

Hey, you want it to be boiled down to a punchline, that’s in you I guess.

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Anonymous ___joker__ 6w

that term directly stems from far right think tanks/echo chambers to invalidate trans identities I’d genuinely suggest not using it if you’re not okay with using far right rhetoric

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Anonymous #2 6w

you think youre talking to an intelligent and/or caring person in them?

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Anonymous #2 6w

Really? You’re more concerned about that word than you are about a borderline AGP “joke” lol?

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Anonymous #1 6w

I’m hoping they’re not a far right acct. I don’t know their post history nor know their politics

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Anonymous ___joker__ 6w

I don’t agree with OOP either. Do you acknowledge that using far right rhetoric intended to turn an identity to an ideology is harmful?

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Anonymous #2 6w

theyre literally nothing. bigoted language, annoying as hell, thinks theyre first to catch the joke. good luck with them tho lol

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Anonymous #2 6w

Not far right.

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Anonymous ___joker__ 6w

You didn’t answer.

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Anonymous #2 6w

Joker’s entire gimmick is being a dickhead curmudgeon. He’s not far right but do your best to ignore him, it makes the app more fun to use

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Anonymous #3 6w

Oh okay so he is actually just complacent at the very least with far right ideals. Thanks for letting me know.

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Anonymous #3 6w

i am 100% stealing curmudgeon lmfao

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Anonymous #2 6w

After reading that sentence and having context now, what do you think my intention for using “transgenderism” was? Do you think it’s because I believe being trans is a condition? Or do you think I was using it in an academic sense to describe identity?

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Anonymous ___joker__ 6w

using inflammatory vocabulary to own the whoever

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Anonymous #2 6w

And no, it doesn’t stem from far right think tanks btw. Opponents of trans communities use it in a twisted meaning, but that’s not where the word orginated.

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Anonymous ___joker__ 6w

It’s disingenuous for you to acknowledge that I asked a question, and go out of your way to ignore it, when answering would dispel any concerns. Especially when I haven’t been rude or disrespectful towards you.

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Anonymous ___joker__ 6w

You contesting the question isn’t answering.

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Anonymous #2 6w

Yeah that’s the best way to put it. He’s been doing the same shit for damn near 2 years on here.

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Anonymous ___joker__ 6w

using inflammatory hate symbols because i ignore its origins and can own the whoever

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Anonymous #2 6w

You just said I was complacent with far right ideology when I specifically stated that I wasn’t far right lol. You’re not attempting to ask a question and you know that. What you’re attempting is control of the conversation. Someone makes a joke that is quite literally playing into what far right people actually think about trans people and you choose to comment specifically at me lol

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Anonymous ___joker__ 6w

"im not far right, im just complacent with the far right and love their rhetoric! owned the whoever again!"

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Anonymous ___joker__ 6w

Yeah you’re choosing actively to ignore a single question. You saying it doesn’t really change my actual view of you if you’re only defending the usage of the term and not answering whether or not you acknowledge the harm, using the term, brings. I already said I don’t agree with OOP either. Do you acknowledge using that term affirms beliefs that it’s an ideology rather than an identity? It’s genuinely a simple question.

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Anonymous #2 6w

Because what you’re accusing me of is exactly what you are….disingenuous.

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Anonymous ___joker__ 6w

You not answering says otherwise.

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Anonymous ___joker__ 6w

curmudgeon activities

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Anonymous #1 6w

Unfortunate he seems unwilling. Hopefully that changes but it seems right now like he’s pretty much how you described him.

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Anonymous #2 6w

This is how it always goes. Now that we’re talking about it he may type out another rage-filled paragraph justifying it, but chances are, he’s not gonna respond anymore.

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Anonymous #2 6w

Yeah? You coming into a post that pathologizes being trans to AGP and the first comment you make is at me while downplaying the entire post to begin with speaks louder. You can say you “don’t agree with OP” all you want. I don’t believe you. I don’t think you actually care lol. It’s fine if you don’t, just don’t come at me if you can’t keep the same energy for someone saying something about as equal as what you’re attempting to accuse me of.

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Anonymous ___joker__ 6w

I’m actually trans lol. So yes I don’t agree with either you or OOP. One more time if you’re actually trying to be honest here. Answer.

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Anonymous #2 6w

But hey, like OP said, if you can’t get the girl, just become the girl 🤪🤪🤪

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Anonymous ___joker__ 6w

Do you acknowledge using the term tramsgenderism causes harm by reaffirming it’s an ideological choice and not an inherent identity, yes or no?

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Anonymous ___joker__ 6w

Also not an answer.

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Anonymous #2 6w

It can, yes.

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Anonymous #2 6w

I don’t care if you’re trans and I don’t care if you agree with me or OP. Show the same energy. Show you actually give a fuck.

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Anonymous ___joker__ 6w

And you’re okay with using that term knowing it can cause harm?

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Anonymous #2 6w

Words don’t cause harm. Actions do.

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Anonymous #2 6w

Like, the question stops when I legit tell you that I’m not using it within that context. You try to reaffirm your position by asking the question AGAIN after I’ve inferred to you numerous times on my usage of it. Like again lol…you’re not looking for an understanding here, you’re looking for control of the conversation.

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Anonymous ___joker__ 6w

I didn’t ask *if* words caused harm. You already acknowledged that using the term “can” cause harm. Are you okay with using terms you know cause harm?

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Anonymous ___joker__ 6w

You can say that, but what I’m realistically doing is calling out anti-trans behavior. I already have with OOP as well. You’re just the only one defending the behavior right now.

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Anonymous #2 6w

Like you already know I don’t believe that being trans is an ideology. You can play dumb and say “well I still don’t know that yet!” but you know I’ve made it pretty clear that I clearly don’t if I’m calling out an AGP joke lol.

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Anonymous ___joker__ 6w

"words dont cause harm" you can literally get charged for like a thousand crimes for using words to harm people in ways that leave them traumatized or dead. words are actions, and they do harm

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Anonymous ___joker__ 6w

Okay, then why are you okay with using a term you already acknowledged can cause harm?

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Anonymous ___joker__ 6w

shriveldick microbrain thoughts

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Anonymous #2 6w

Because I’m not using it in a harmful manner…

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Anonymous ___joker__ 6w

then say slurs. just say the words. its not a harmful manner if you dont use them that way

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Anonymous ___joker__ 6w

Alright, and so your intent matters, and not the way it’s perceived?

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Anonymous #2 6w

Yes. It’s why the right question is “Hey, what did you mean when you used that word” instead “Do you know that word is a far right think tank word and it’s extremely harmful?”

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Anonymous ___joker__ 6w

Okay I can understand that. so in your eyes, would that permit me saying a racial slur if I didn’t mean it in a harmful manner and a POC said they didn’t agree with my usage of the term?

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Anonymous #2 6w

I understand why you’re skeptical given that you’re apart of that community. There’s nothing wrong with that or even questioning my use of it…but if I’m showing intent and building context, the question answers itself.

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Anonymous ___joker__ 6w

how does your emaciated brain conceive the thought that its better to start by knowingly using inflammatory language from hateful groups and hope that someone asks your intention rather than be a normal fucking person with a non malnourished intellect

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Anonymous #2 6w

Which slur are you using?

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Anonymous #1 6w

You’ve yet to add anything useful to the conversation. I would block you temporarily to prevent you from shitting up the dialogue between me and someone trying to actually make an argument, but that would kill the entire convo thread. Do your best to sit there and not type please. 😊

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Anonymous ___joker__ 6w

Let’s just say one directed towards latinas since I am one. I also appreciate that. In your worldview, is it “okay” to use derogatory language as long as it’s not intended to be harmful, even if members of that group are perceiving it to be?

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Anonymous ___joker__ 6w

picobrain wants to keep "inflammatory rhetoric first, hope for questions later" on the board for some reason without ever acknowledging that intentionally using said inflammatory language is, in fact, inflammatory and bad! im yet to see what youve added to the conversation other than denying that you exist for any purpose other than being a waste of everyones brainpower

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Anonymous #2 6w

I’m unsure. To my knowledge, I don’t think there are any slurs that I can think of that can come across as neutral. The closest words I can think of that could be taken as slurs “illegal immigrant” or “illegal alien” but that’s also another complex part of language. That being said, I think you can use those terms given a specific context that isn’t dehumanizing.

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Anonymous ___joker__ 6w

I added the qualifying information of derogatory language as well. Do you think you should be permitted even if members of that group you’re speaking of views it as harmful?

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Anonymous #2 6w

If the intent is derogatory, no.

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Anonymous ___joker__ 6w

So it’s only intent that matters and not perception?

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Anonymous #2 6w

It depends of your school of thought. Someone like Wittgenstein would say that the meaning of the word depends on the usage in the language, which means language isn’t fixed. While I like Wittgenstein for the wrong reasons, I personally lean into language being somewhat fixed and that perception is separate from meaning or intent.

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Anonymous #2 6w

To answer it more clearly though, no, I don’t think intent is the only thing that matters. Perception has its importance, but I believe it is separate from the meaning of words entirely.

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