Anonymous #5 6w

If anything on that list was true you might be right

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And Tyrannosaurus rex means tyrant lizard king…is the trex a king or lizard?

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And no fetus is a scientific term not a derogatory term or whatever ur trynna argue lmao

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U didn’t answer my question and I never said it wasn’t an animal. Was the t-rex a king or lizard…

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Bro ur talking about what something means in Latin like that changes anything. I’m using ur argument against u. In Latin Tyrannosaurus rex means tyrant lizard king. T-rex wasn’t a tyrant, king, and dinosaurs aren’t lizards

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A fetus isn’t a human yet. It’s a mass of human tissue. It DEVELOPS into a human. Do yk what development means?

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A fetus….its not a human yet lmao. It has to DEVELOP into a human. What is development?

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When it loses the gills, tail, and has the same basic structures a human should…like a brain, heart, skeleton, eyes ect…

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When it comes to developing from cells to person lmao

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Not all clumps of human cells are equal.

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I said human cells not races lmao. Ur comparing apples to oranges. Not all human cells are equal lmao

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Like I don’t understand how ur not tired of trying to misconstrued my argument into something I never said only to be proven wrong…like…

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Once again, not all cells are equal. Yall want to and only view women as incubators. A fetus doesn’t age the same way ppl does lmao. If you take an embryo and put it in the freezer for 30 years and then implant a woman with it…how old is the baby after 15 years? Ur not gonna say they’re 45. That’s because u don’t start aging until after ur born

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Babies are already developed humans. A fetus is not…

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It’s not a fetus when it has the basic functions to survive outside of the womb…

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Babies that are born that have to go on life support still have the basic functions to live outside of the womb…

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And it’s not a fetus anymore at around 21 weeks, aka when it has the basic functions to live outside of the womb..

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That’s wrong and life support is kinda the wrong word. Life support implies the same kind that brain dead patients are on, where a machine does all the work keeping their organs going. Premature babies are put in an incubator similar to eggs. They need higher temperatures because their body hasn’t developed enough to self regulate it and they can’t fight off infections. They can still do all the other things that babies can do (which admittedly isn’t much, they’re pretty fucking useless)

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Premature birth used to be a literal death sentence with the mortality being something like 90% until a literal fucking carney on Coney Island put them in incubators as a freak show attraction 😭

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Like #8 said they aren’t on life support. They’re put in incubators. Besides not having a fully developed immune system and being able to regulate their body temperature, pre-mature babies can and do survive outside of the womb…be this “debate” has been going on for 2 fucking days and you have yet to give an actual argument or any facts…

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Anonymous thereal._.ruckus 5w

average argument with a conservative tbh

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Anonymous #1 5w

Rs. Granted I wouldn’t respond for like 10 hours so but fucking still😭 that’s 10 hours to come up with a good argument

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Anonymous thereal._.ruckus 5w

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I literally have been…it’s not human. It’s not considered human until it has the basics to deploy consciousness and survive outside of the womb on its own😭 all u did was strawman my arguments

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Ur only argument is “what does fetus mean in Latin” and I debunked that shit by using animal scientific names cause it’s usually Latin lmfao. U don’t have an actual argument for my Tyrannosaurus argument.

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U bot realizing I used ur argument against u is kinda sad. Was T-Rex a tyrant, lizard, or king?

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U can’t answer a yes or no question with a question 😭 doesn’t fucking matter what I’d call it I’m asking u if it was a lizard, a king, or a tyrant

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Bro the fact u don’t get my argument says a whole bunch. I’m saying it doesn’t matter I call it for the sake of this argument. U have YET TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION

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Tyrannosaurus means tyrant lizard king in Latin. IS IT A FUCKING LIZARD, KING, OR TYRANT. U can’t be this fucking brain dead. It’s a yes or no fucking question. Answer it

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Oh also important context, premature babies’ organs aren’t *fully* developed so you could argue their similarity to a fetus, but it’d be much more similar to an on time baby which their skulls aren’t developed and need to fuse together. a clump of cells with no definitive form and even lacking many vital organs is not a human being in the same way a premature or on-time baby is

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You’re drawing the wrong comparison. An amputee and a premature baby are humans. However, an early stage fetus would be more similar to somebody who is braindead and on life support, in which they are functionally dead and have no brain activity. These people have their organs continuing to function with technology, but they are fully declared deceased.

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Neither is sentient nor sapient, if that’s the case you shouldn’t be able to kill any animal because one day in millions of years they may grow to be sapient through the natural course of evolution. Chimps are officially in a stone age, and crows have demonstrated tool use and passing of collective knowledge, so they should be held to the same standard of life as a human being too i guess.

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U can compare a fetus to a brain dead person tho: if you remove a braindead person from life support they die. If you remove a fetus from the womb and disconnect the umbilical cord it also dies

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Humans ARE animals…

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No shit Sherlock. A baby that’s been born has the basic functions to survive on its own…like not connected to the mother and feeding off of her lmfao. Ur arguments are really shit. You’ve had like 3 days to come up with better arguments yk that right?😭

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If you remove a baby from the womb it can survive on its own because the body is developed enough to where it doesn’t need to be connected via umbilical cord. A fetus however, doesn’t have the basic functions…like idk…fucking lungs and a heart in order to survive without the aid of an umbilical cord 😭 like this is basic biology….and yk what we mean when we say “survive on its own”

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Also I wouldn’t argue humans are inherently more valuable than non-human animals. My parrots, dog, and the livestock I work with imo, are more valuable than most ppl…so

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Ok, so ur either purposely misconstruing what I’m saying or ur dumb and not reading and comprehending😭 no fucking shit it has to eat all living things has to fucking eat in order to stay alive. My argument is it can survive on its own without an umbilical cord…actually ur also helping me make a new argument…a baby can digest food on its own because it has a functioning stomach. A fetus cannot digest food on its own because it has no stomach lmfao😭

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And sure, having the basic functions to be considered a human is what determines being a human..

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Have they been born and have the other criteria to survive outside of the womb?

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That’s yalls problem. Yall always wanna get philosophical. I’m speaking in terms of biology, because ppl do things that don’t make them human…

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Ur trying to down play me but ur arguing against bodily autonomy which is a human right😭 that’s inhumane. A fetus isn’t a human because it has to develop into a human the same way a tadpole has to develop into a frog

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No…it’s not “new genetic identity” it’s half of the mothers and half of the fathers…DNA isn’t created…traits are swapped…

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No…it’s not murder. As like I said it’s not human and 2.Murder is the unjust killing of another human. When ppl get abortions it’s justified and when they get abortions it’s usually WAY before the 21 week mark…so it’s just cells…

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Giving bodily autonomy to a fucking tadpole shaped clump of cells removes bodily autonomy from a fully developed human..

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Unique from the mother’s DNA…because it’s half the father’s DNA. I don’t think u understand biology 😭

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It’s unique from both because it’s half of each parent genius 😭😭😭how do I think DNA tests work?

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It’s gonna be unique from dad because there’s half of mom and it’s gonna be unique from mom because it’s half of dad. It’s not an all new DNA set…u realize that right?

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We’re talking about DNA not personhood lmfao ur so dumb. It’s not a new DNA set bro…if I mix veggies into a salad is it a whole new thing? No, u can still identify the parts of the mixture…

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Bro STFU. It’s been 5 days and ur like honestly a headache lmao

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U have yet to answer a yes or no question I asked 5 days ago😐

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What I’m saying is, I’m not gonna define ur bad faith argument if u can’t answer a yes or no question 😐

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“You’re not define anything I said” Bro i asked u if T Rex was a king, lizard, or tyrant and u have yet to answer…why would I define and answer ur questions if u couldn’t answer a simple yes or no😭

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Every argument you used was either a strawman, fallacy, or bad faith argument 😭

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That’s because there is not 1 definition of personhood. It varies from culture to culture u dumb ass

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Not until u answer the question I asked 5 days ago

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Answer the question I asked 5 days ago

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Answer this first

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Wait…u think Tyrannosaurus rex was a tyrant lizard king…to recap ur memory this is what trex looks like rn according to scientists

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Because if u think that there’s no point in continuing this debate😭 Latin definitions are not a good argument

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The definition of fetus in Latin also has nothing to do with being a human. All of its meanings all just mean “offspring” which…no one is denying that a fetus is offspring lmao 😭

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Also, never used the term “personhood” u did lmao

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Personhood as in a whole new in organism. Not anything spiritual

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Just said personhood meaning a whole different person…

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Personhood in a philosophical sense can’t be defined per one definition because different cultures view “personhood” differently 😭 so it’s not a “you can’t define it” situation it’s a “what definition do you want because there’s so many”

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I just did..

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