Anonymous #1 17w

Ok, So… how’s trump going to help the working class if he isn’t going to nationalize the healthcare industry and ban private hospitals, or raise the minimum wage? And republicans made a bill to cut Medicaid at 1AM in the morning, so like, how’s this to help people? So while I do agree that yeah these rural bumpkins are going to have to be educated on Marxism and anarchism, you can at least understand how it’s REALLY frustrating to deal with people that just openly hate queer people, (2/?)

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Anonymous #1 17w

Because honestly from our perspective it seems like they just don’t care of their social security or Medicaid is cut as long as marginalized people suffer more, just like that LBJ quote said. It’s like being a Bolshevik explaining to a present that he will never be the next tsar no mater how hard he works, and from some reason they keep defending the tsar because they INSIST that if they work from $5 an hour they’ll be just like tsar Nicholas and Elon musk! (3/?)

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Anonymous #1 17w

So it’s kind of like, maybe you kind of understand? If these people already KNOW that trump isn’t going to help them by raising their wages or bring universal nationalized healthcare because “gobment is socialism” then WHY keep voting for him? The only explanation I can think of is that LBJ “convince a white man” quote, or they all belive that they’re just “temporarily embarrassed millionaires” as the other quote says. (4/5)

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Anonymous #1 17w

To put it simply, if these people KNOW that trump isn’t going to help them because he’s wealthy and it’s literally against his class interest to do so? WHY keep voting for something that’s going to hurt you and make you poorer and dumber over and over again? Other then like idk “leftists where mean to me on the internet so I voted against them because they where meanies on Twitter🥺” or something, like Dave Rubin does. (5/5)

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Anonymous OP 17w

I mean it’s not exactly their fault entirely, they’re not bad people for thinking that working for $10 a day will unironically make them as rich as Elon musk in 50 years by just working at McDonald’s. (The minimum wage should still be raised) It’s because the rich created the “self made man myth” as many of the wealthy were never poor, and those who were simply rolled the dice and got lucky. (1/?)

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Anonymous OP 17w

However a lot of them are bad people for Really hating queer people. Is it based of ignorance? Sure, some of it, but I think it goes back to that LBJ quote of “if you can convince the poorest white man that he’s better then the nearest (insert minority here)” quote and all that. I think a lot of them KNOW trump and culture war BS won’t help them, but as long as they provide bread and circuses to hurt those they hate, I don’t think they care about Elon stealing from them or committing wage theft.

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Anonymous OP 17w

I think this YouTube video does a much better job at explaining this than me. https://youtu.be/jsU1Ke2fpm0?si=K0ivCvLMSL9UNd98 The honest truth is that as long as they get to own the libs and hurt marginalized more than themselves? they don’t care if trump robs them blind, they’re not dumb, they know what they’re doing, they just want trump to you hurt you more then it hurts them, because to them, you’re. NOT. HUMAN So, how am I supposed to argue against people who view me as non human?🤷‍♂️

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Anonymous #1 17w

Brother I was referring to the Marxists in that last point

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Anonymous #1 17w

I appreciate your effort which is why I’m going to give a thoughtful response in return: I understood the Marxists perspective from the beginning. I don’t agree with it. Lenin had his revolution come easier because the tsar was shooting peasants in the streets just because they asked for bread. The tsar was so incompetent that he didn’t know the nation was being half-run by a magic man. —>

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Anonymous OP 17w

To answer your question, you don’t educate because that assumes you are of a higher level of knowledge in all areas. You listen first. Even when it disgusts you, you listen. You don’t listen with the intent of agreeing, but you keep that open mind that there’s always a chance you’re wrong. The supposed knowledge of the world at our palm (smart phones, internet access, etc) has masked our ability to understand that no matter what, we as human beings don’t know everything. The assumption that

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Anonymous OP 17w

These people (and yes, they are people, not reps, not libs, not communists, not libertarians, they’re human beings) are anti-intellectual is a self-fulfilling prophecy. “Im willing to learn but those guys over there arent” is like a prisoners dilemma: both sides think neither wants to learn, so neither engage. Ive got maga friends and communist friends alike from all over because I was blessed to be born into a military family that had to move around a lot. I’m not saying I’m completely —>

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Anonymous OP 17w

Understanding of why people believe the things they believe, but I do believe this framework of thinking allows for change to flourish in a non-toxic, respectful, and helpful manner. There was a common denominator between all the different cultures and people that I plopped in and out of, and as I grew older, I began to reflect on those cultures and people. I noticed one common denominator; they talk exactly the same in regard to their political adversaries. —>

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Anonymous OP 17w

Ive met good and bad people that are conservatives, I’ve met good and bad people that are liberals, I’ve met good hearted communists and hateful, spiteful communists. But the common denominator is how they talk about each other without ever actually knowing each other. You can’t go through life and control what people do and don’t think, but you can’t make an effort to dismantle their opinions about you by simply engaging. Most people left of center have never met a conservative, and vice versa

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Anonymous OP 17w

(At least in the U.S.), and I’m saying if you give the time of day to your adversaries, they might surprise you. I think the genius of Marx was that he took an idea, used it to appeal to the working man’s emotion, and then gave it the titled of a hard science (grossly oversimplified but bear with me) to make it unfalsifiable from outside of its support. That’s the same philosophical and psychological tactic of a cult, and it leaves no room for discussion. I’m talking about Marxism because I’m —>

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Anonymous OP 17w

Talking to a (I think? Correct me if I’m wrong) Marxist. If I were speaking to a conservative, id use conservatism as an example. I’m not claiming to have all the answers, or even 10 of them, I’m just claiming that the bridge dialogue creates shouldn’t be busted lest it doesn’t end well for anyone. Don’t allow your perception of people to be dictated by the loud minority that vocalize intentionally heated rhetoric online. When you have the opportunity, speak face to face. —>

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Anonymous OP 17w

Last but not least, I cannot state enough how I’m not coming from a place of moral supremacy, I’m coming from a place of anecdotal observations and experiences made as a result of my ability to experience them (being a military brat that allowed me to move between all over the U.S. and some parts of Europe, as well as visiting other countries). Take it or leave it, I don’t blame you if you don’t like what you hear.

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Anonymous OP 17w

okay real last but not least: thank you for your time and effort. I get it can be frustrating connecting with people from different backgrounds and perceptions of reality, so I appreciate you explaining to me your plight.

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