Anonymous #1 1w

Doesn’t really make sense when you think about the fact he pardoned J6ers. And is deporting people over speech

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Anonymous #2 1w

Who is he deporting over speech? What would you want him to do with j6ers?

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Anonymous #1 1w

Maybe bot pardon them? It’s barely been a year and 4 have already committed crimes again. Child molesting, threatening government officials, fraud, etc

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Anonymous #1 1w

6 visa holders have been deported over their social media posts about Charlie Kirk. Green cards have been revoked because of comments about Israel. Where have you been?

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Anonymous #2 1w

Well, if you’re here on a visa, that doesn’t mean you’re a citizen. You’re here to do a specific thing. That doesn’t mean you can say an American deserves to die. Which I’m sure that’s what all those people said.

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Anonymous #2 1w

Who are you talking about?

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Anonymous #1 1w

They didn’t say that in all cases, and it’s free speech anyway. You can check the state department’s Twitter. They showed the posts they revoked visas over

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Anonymous #1 1w

That was the problem Trump invoked the aliens enemies act so it was unknown if they were actual criminals or not. He also is explicitly going into communities and going after non-criminals.

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Anonymous #4 1w

this article is from 2016

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Anonymous #4 1w

Not the screenshots of headlines.

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Anonymous blue__wave 1w

you want me to screenshot the whole article for you? because i got more where that came from but i figured you knew how to use google

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Anonymous #4 1w

the *criminals* in question:

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Anonymous #4 1w

No just make an arguement instead of screenshotting articles with scary headlines. Articles can be very different than the impression their headline give it’s just a weird way to make a point. Pls god don’t send more article headlines lmao.

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Anonymous #4 1w

I’ll go through these tomorrow though if I remember.

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Anonymous #4 1w

This is like conservatives posting scary headlines about abortion then posting a picture of a baby lol.

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Anonymous blue__wave 1w

all i’m saying is that while i 110% agree that trump is doing the absolute worst with deportations, worse than this country has ever seen, i can’t forget about the children and families that suffered from how the obama administration carried out deportations. while he did create DACA and made orders to give better protections for families, the numbers are still alarming. those babies are not criminals and their parents more often than not just wanted to give their kids a good life :/

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Anonymous #4 1w

Obama didn’t separate families as a deterrent. It was mainly in cases where human trafficking was suspected

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Anonymous #4 1w

That’s fair and valid to an extent but when you’re talking about this issue. Theres a few things to consider 1. The President isn’t directly making every immigration enforcement choice. 2. The President has to follow immigration law. 3. I think most recent immigration bill is from the 1980s (aside from funding bills) the presidents don’t have a lot of modern laws to work with when it comes to immigration. 4. The public generally supports deportations.

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Anonymous #4 1w

All these things make conversations about immigration enforcement complicated and nuanced. The president has sway but for the most part he’s limited by the law (unless you’re Trump and you just ignore it) .

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Anonymous #4 1w

But like I said maybe these articles are good criticisms I’ll read them tomorrow (bc I’ve procrastinated too many things today lol).

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Anonymous #2 1w

can you give me a source for this? here’s my source that refutes that claim:

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Anonymous blue__wave 1w

1. It’s naive to act as though the president isn’t aware. Obama/the government was getting sued for some of this stuff. He would have at least heard about some of it. 4. The majority of the public only supports deportations in certain cases

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Anonymous #4 1w

Me? I only talked about family separation

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Anonymous #2 1w

oh i was mainly focused on when you said it was mainly trafficking situations but maybe i misunderstood your argument. i used that article to address that the vast majority of deportees only committed minor infractions or had no criminal record at all

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Anonymous #2 1w

I never said the president wasn’t aware I said he's not directly making every immigration enforcement choice which 100% true.Yes so they generally support deportations again so what I said was true.

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Anonymous #4 1w

Ah no. The family separations were normally used in cases where it was suspected that adults were trafficking children, and the adults acted as though the children were part of their family

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Anonymous #2 1w

As in you show up to the border with kids, and CBP suspects the kids aren’t actually related to you

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Anonymous blue__wave 1w

those are good points as well, and i appreciate your consideration. i just want to be mindful of a critique that deportations could have been carried out more humanely under obama but that’s not to distract from how explicitly vile the trump administration is for their actions

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Anonymous #2 1w

oh ive never heard of this before, i think ill do more research on that too

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Anonymous #4 1w

Sure that’s fair but for me this isn’t a president issue this a congress issue. They need to make a serious immigration reform bill and stop relying on presidents to send people to cecot. But I’m sure Obama could have done things better.

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Anonymous blue__wave 1w

agreed 👍

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Anonymous #4 1w

It’s unfortunately quite common. If your parents are divorced and one parent is taking you on a trip, the other has to sign a letter saying that they authorize the parent to take the kids out of the country (some parents take their kids out so that custody agreements can’t be enforced). South Africa and some other countries require all kids to bring their birth certificates to verify who the parents are and that they’re the ones bringing the kid

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Anonymous #4 1w

Ok I read them all they just basically said that Obama did raids focusing on criminals and people who recently illegally entered he did this by communicating with local law enforcement. the only real criticism was that families did get separated. This was not an intentional policy like it was for Trump. It mostly happened bc families come here had children then those kids are citizens and can’t be deported. They had a policy of not deporting the child’s main caregiver.

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Anonymous #4 1w

And also some of the people detained didn’t know about their asylum rights which maybe that have been communicated to them better.

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