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Socialism fails because of 2 ways: 1) it’s not a democratically elected government 2) the U.S. forces it to fail Try naming a country that was democratically elected without U.S. influence that failed. You can’t.
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Anonymous 10w

Remember when the U.S. staged the coup in Iran that installed a puppet dictator and had a violent revolution in '79 that established Ayatollah Khomeini as its political and spiritual leader? Or when the U.S. gave power to the Sandinista government in Nicaragua and they also fell into authoritarianism?

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Anonymous 10w

Try naming a socialist government that wasn’t trying to influence US to fail

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 10w

Pretty much all of them

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 10w

Go ahead and list em out for me

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 10w

What was Chile doing to the US when we helped coup Allende and install a military dictatorship?

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 10w

existing

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 10w

So Chile had a socialist president but was never established as a socialist economic system while he was president the country was still capitalist

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 10w

?

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 10w

Thanks for proving our point

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 10w

That it wasn’t ever a socialist country?

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 10w

Socialism is an economic system the economic system in which chile was under during president Allende was not in fact a socialist system but a capitalist one

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 10w

“Pretty much all of them” Names one and it wasn’t even socialist

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 10w

Because we couped Allende before he could do anything

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 10w

Yea but the US is not the sole reason for the coup I’m assuming you don’t know much about it and just saw an ai google response

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 10w
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Anonymous replying to -> #2 10w

The us did not pull the trigger but they encouraged it and many historians agree that a coup would’ve eventually happened without the US support due to the growing internal divisions especially among the upper and middle classes.

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 10w

Yea bro that’s what your doing going from “pretty much all” to “well this one was sortaaaaa a socialist country and sortaaa was influenced by America”

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 10w

if we're going by your definition of "real socialism" then few actual countries are actually socialist so I'm not sure what your point is. That we helped prevent democratically elected socialist governments from existing?

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 10w

Because when countries turn to “real socialism” they turn into CCP, North, Korea, Russia

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 10w

Survivorship bias plus none of those are socialist - Russia and china are both mixed economies

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 10w

Ok ussr, people’s republic of China, Cuba under Fidel castro

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 10w

all of which existed as democracies when the previous regimes were dictatorships and monarchy?

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 10w

liberal ‘democracies’ recognize themselves as democracies whilst disenfranchising or outright barring segments of the voting population from being able to vote, on top of the selection of parties being ideologically aligned with the colonial and capitalist superstructure that already exists. not only do they hinder representation, but the choice of representatives isn’t even a choice. we’re presented with owning class in red, or owning class in blue

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 10w

Cuba is functionally a participatory democracy, with the party serving an entirely different role in their socialist system. parties are not fundraising apparatuses that run candidates as they are here, the party exists to protect the revolution from outside actors— the owning class in exile and the imperialist US

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