Anonymous #1 6d

All the cattle have been so sold on the idea of hyper-individualism that they don’t realize they are in the slaughterhouse

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Anonymous #2 6d

I literally do

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Anonymous #3 6d

Define motion. Cuz I know for sure ya ain’t a billionaire

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Anonymous OP 6d

Nawr you don’t. Capitalism has many benefits and has improved lives

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Anonymous #2 6d

Capitalism was also built on slavery, genocide, and exploitation. Is it a more advanced system than feudalism? Yes. Is it also one that needs to be discarded for the future of the world? Also yes

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Anonymous #2 6d

Also how are you doing with groceries, rent, tuition, and gas? I’m assuming capitalism is making it so that these things are affordable for you

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Anonymous OP 6d

Honestly pretty well. Gas and food aren’t to much of a worry for me since I have a pretty decent job and pay to cover my expenses while still having enough for other things. Also tuition isn’t a problem.

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Anonymous #2 6d

Would I prefer things be cheaper? Of course. But I am fortunate enough to not be struggling thanks to owning the results of my labor

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Anonymous OP 6d

Every system we’ve made has exploited or harmed someone in some way. What future economic mechanism do you propose

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Anonymous #2 6d

Okay well I’m just gonna say that this is not the case for many other college students. People have to work multiple jobs to afford all that shit. I had to pay 40 dollars for half a tank, which is not affordable, and my tuition literally costs as much as a down payment on a house.

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Anonymous #2 6d

You owning the results of you labor is literally what socialism and communism calls for

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Anonymous #2 6d

I call for socialism, and communism in the long term

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Anonymous OP 6d

Bro collectivism calls for the ownership of private property by the group and distribution of goods according to need not profit. If I work hard and make more than everyone else my surplus is distributed to the people who didn’t put in the same level of work. It’s literally the core tenant of Marxist communism.

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Anonymous OP 6d

Hasn’t worked very well like ever

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Anonymous OP 6d

I can do a money spread I guess if i wanted to. Employer matching 401k, savings account, brokerage account, apartment with my gf and two cats.

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Anonymous #3 6d

Op can’t respond he’s realized how good capitalism is

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Anonymous #2 6d

Yeah I love capitalism. I operated a business from my phone for about two years and had to stop recently. I was a sports bettor and paid for software to identify EV bets and arbitrage opportunities and other strategies as well. Ultimately I got limited from all books in my state for winning too much so time to find the next thing. Anyone can make money if you want it badly enough.

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Anonymous OP 6d

Why not just be for public transport then or buy a car with better gas mileage? Rather than trying to entirely reshape our economic system and curb property rights. Idk why all of the solutions are the most extreme response to issues.

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Anonymous blue__wave 6d

Read Marx lol

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Anonymous #2 6d

Holy shit please just read Marx. Communists recognize the contributions of capitalism. Why do you guys pretend to criticize something you have no idea about lol

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Anonymous #1 6d

What I have I said thats wrong instead of just giving a non criticism?

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Anonymous #1 6d

Bro it calls for the dissolution of the capitalist structure and industry. Getting rid of what something/someone else built isn’t “recognizing the contributions” of anything.

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Anonymous blue__wave 6d

Because those issues aren’t what we’re trying to solve nor are they the root of the issues lol. Being opposed to “The most extreme of ideas” is because those ideas propose a new way of living? Like “extremism” isn’t a criticism lol. Also you’d have much more clarity on the goal of communists if you actually just read Marx.

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Anonymous #2 6d

Are you actually this dumb? Why would that be how we recognize contributions? Like that’s actually four year old who got his sand castle kicked mentality ?? There are contributions because of capitalism. But when wealth accumulates class struggle intensifies and the backbone of industry being the working class should be able to control the means that they labor and toil with and for.

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Anonymous #1 6d

Those are the problems the person listed you can say they aren’t your problems, and you make an entirely new arguement if you want. Yes that’s what extreme means that it’s different than the current norm. Yes it is, our current norm is relatively extremely successful so ofc going away from the norm has the chance of moving away from what works. Again then make a different argument when I’m talking to #2 I’m not addressing whatever is #1’s head.

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Anonymous #1 6d

And to do so you get rid of the structure capitalism built. Did the Visigoths ‘recognize the contributions’ of the Roman Empire when they sacked Rome? Of course not. They might use the burnt-out corpses of buildings as shelter but the act of burning them down in the first place is an expression of disrespect. The same applies here. Communism might use the structures capitalism built during the transition to its ideal classless worker society but the act of tearing it down is one of contempt.

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Anonymous #1 6d

Besides I should own what I make, and if what I build is a factory, business, or billion dollar empire, that should be mine and not redistributed to people who did not toil as I did

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Anonymous #1 6d

Bro ‘read Marx’ is not a valid counter argument. Anyone can say that even if they haven’t read him. At least state the point Marx makes that counters the thing in question

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Anonymous #2 6d

It’s not supposed to be a counter argument lol. That’s why you should read Marx. It’s not a fucking counter argument it’s so you know what you’re interacting with and arguing against. Holy shit lmao

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Anonymous #1 6d

Why don’t you enlighten us and tell us what Marx is saying then? Or have you been slacking on reading Marx in favor of the works of Dr Seuss?

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Anonymous #2 6d

That’s what I’m trying to do you stupid bitch READING MARX WOULD LITERALLY DO THAT FOR YOU HAHAHA holy shit you’re dumb

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Anonymous #1 5d

Look m8 clearly you lack any knowledge of Marx whatsoever. If you had any you would have presented it by now, seeing as you appear to be the type of person to take any opportunity to bash people’s heads in with ‘how smart’ you are.

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Anonymous #1 5d

You should probably do some reading yourself so you can actually say something of substance instead of just repeatedly yelling “read Marx” like a brainwashed automaton

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Anonymous #2 5d

Uh no didn’t want to bash your heads on how smart I was. I told you to read Marx, ur allergic to reading or something so just asked specifically what Marx talked about (you lack a general understanding of communism, so any explanation would be lost on you) and then I told you to read him to get your questions answered. You are a college student. You should not be this offended because someone told you to read.

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Anonymous #1 5d

Then enlighten me. Tell me something he says about communism. You’ve yet to provide any sort of direct quote from his works despite your claims of being well versed in his works

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Anonymous #1 5d

It’s also ironic you criticize my maturity when you sling curse words, insult my intelligence, and type ‘HAHAHAHAHA’ like a rage baiting discord pre teen.

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Anonymous #2 5d

..so a direct quote would prove I’m well versed in his works? Wow. Enlighten you on what? Specifically what? Anything? Like be precise lol he wrote about a lot of shit.

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Anonymous #2 5d

Well yeah it’s funny how opposed you are to reading a book and think having a “debate” is a valid alternative. It’s not. Read the book because your criticisms of communism fall short.

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Anonymous #1 5d

What specifically does he say that addresses blue_wave’s point about using public transportation and working to reshape a problematic system incrementally rather than immediately moving to an extreme?

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Anonymous #1 5d

Man you haven’t proved or made any statement of substance that disproves my claim that a) communism has never worked and b) I have a right to own what I make even if it’s a billion dollar business.

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Anonymous #2 5d

Oh that’s easy read reform or revolution by Luxemburg. There are plenty of texts by Marxists on the project of incremental reforms (democratic socialism). Or read What is to be Done by Lenin.

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Anonymous #2 5d

1) explain why communism has never worked 2) read anti-duhring lol

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Anonymous #1 5d

Man I honestly don’t know how to get through to you. Put as simply as possible: giving someone a reading list during an argument isn’t a valid form of debate. If someone was asked to disprove a point in an actual debate and their response was “oh just read x” they’d be laughed off stage. It’s evasive and weak. You are being evasive

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Anonymous #1 5d

Here’s a visual aid to help you if you think better in pictures than words

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Anonymous #2 5d

And here’s one for you 👍

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Anonymous #2 5d

Because this isn’t a debate. You’re an idiot that doesn’t understand Marxism, i told you what to read in order to understand Marxism, you reply with “NOOO TELLING SOMEONE TO READ IS NOT A REBUTTAL!!” Well.. yeah..? It’s not supposed to be one. It’s me telling you to actually familiarize yourself with the discussion topic at hand before attempting to debate it LOL

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Anonymous #1 5d

Unfortunately victory in this argument is mine for I have depicted you as the soyjack and myself as the alpha male chad. Further discussion is pointless

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Anonymous #2 5d

You vs reading challenge GO!

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Anonymous #1 5d

And yours was created by a man who had to rely on Engels and his daddy’s money form the textile business to survive. Ironic that capitalism was needed to create communism.

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Anonymous #2 5d

LMAOOO you actually thought that was ironic??? Capitalism WAS needed in order to create communism. Marx fucking wrote about it 😭 holy shit man you’re so embarrassing

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Anonymous #1 5d

Dude it’s like talking to a brick wall. The man depended on exactly the thing he criticized. That’s called being hypocritical. I’m really sorry you can’t understand this. I would suggest you read more but clearly that hasn’t done much good for your comprehension skills

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Anonymous #2 5d

…he analyzed it? You’re so fucking stupid bro 😭😭 the phenomenon is even called primitive accumulation bro you’re actually so challenged intellectually it embarrasses me to talk to you 😭😭

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Anonymous #1 5d

Imagine how I feel trying to talk to you. You’re so blinded by hate all you can do is spew insults and worship Marx without any critical thinking on why his ideology has never worked, produced a successful nation, or reached its end goal 😔. On the other hand, capitalism dominates the globe and is responsible for all of the luxuries we enjoy today.

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Anonymous #1 5d

If you’ve got something going on personally that is making you like this I’m happy to listen in DMs if you need

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Anonymous #2 5d

“Produced a successful nation” holy shit Thats antithetical to what communism endeavors for. Genuinely so dumb LMAO

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Anonymous #1 5d

😔dude are you ok?

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Anonymous #2 5d

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