Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 3w

Protestants tend to vote Republican, but Catholics have always been majority Democratic. Because Catholic Mass tells you to love the sojourner (old timey word for immigrant) and teaches that passing worldly judgement is one of the worst sins. Every “tradcath” motherfucker is an adult convert LARPer. The Catholic Church is global, and preaches a global worldview. I’ve gone to Spanish mass by accident before, most Catholics have no issue with Latino people.

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 3w

some quick stats (60 million catholics, 1.5% convert rate according to pew research, 900,000k converts roughly. 70mil-ish votes for trump, 22% of which were catholic, 17milish catholic trump votes) says that’s not even remotely possible

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Anonymous OP 3w

I mean the abortion issue definitely colors a lot of that, but if you are Catholic and hate immigrants, you haven’t been paying attention in Mass fr

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Anonymous OP 3w

Now my whole thing is that I’m personally against abortion, and would never encourage someone close to me to get one, but that’s not the business of the state. Most Republican Catholics fall along abortion lines, not immigration lines.

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 3w

I was on the Supreme Court steps protesting when they overturned Roe, because I think abortion is a personal matter, which the state should keep its nose out of. A lot of Catholics aren’t that liberal about it, which I think is where most Republican Catholics come from, but Catholic doctrine is vastly more liberal than it is conservative in a post-Vatican II world.

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 3w

You do understand 89% of clergy are republicans and the pope is a registered republican. He’s not maga sure but he agrees with him on a lot more than you think

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Anonymous #3 3w

Right, but I think they are Mitt Romney Republicans. Not Donald Trump Republicans. One does well to recognize the difference, especially if you’re in the business of moving conservatives left, as I consider myself.

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Anonymous #3 3w

But I live in the South, so a big part of my job down here is breaking conservatives out of their ideology. If you do not live in a place that is necessary, I completely understand acting like their beliefs are irrational and unworthy of a response. These things are generally negotiable, but negotiations all have different terms.

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 3w

They’re farther right than mitt romney

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 3w

I live in the south also, culturally they’re farther right, socially they’re more liberal

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Anonymous #3 3w

Exactly, and you have to play upon that social liberalism

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 3w

Yeah, definitely but you’d also have to understand majority of them are so culturally conservative they don’t believe in democracy, and would inherently prefer a catholic monarchy by faith

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 3w

CRADLE CATHOLICS > CONVERTS Some older Catholics are a lot more conservative, but the entire point of the New Testament is literally “Love everyone even if they’re a different religion or sinners (in the context of the Bible)”

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Anonymous #5 3w

1.Im cradle catholic and converts per capita are better catechized than cradles. 2. That is not the point of the New Testament. The point of the New Testament is that our faith is justified by Christ love for us. Yet this does not mean we should keep sinning nor promote or tolerate sin. As scripture tells us as well as the church that the toleration of sin is equal to sin in itself.

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 3w

Hey there, I’m too sleepy to debate much (😭) but thank you so much for advocating for the right to women’s healthcare. Banning stuff based in religious reasons seems…anti-constitutional?

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Anonymous #6 3w

It also goes against the catechism in my opinion, because Catholicism as a faith is supposed to be freely chosen! There’s no sense in forcing others to follow the rules of your religion.

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Anonymous #4 3w

This is not true whatsoever. Yes Catholicism is a faith that has to be freely chosen but the rest is just blatantly false

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Anonymous #6 3w

Well laws have to derive themselves from a secular purpose to be Constitutional, but it’s also not very hard to argue a lot of these things on secular grounds while still being religiously motivated, so that gets a little wishy washy. For example, Prohibitionism was largely motivated by religious sentiment, but banning alcohol was still a secular policy, since the government cited high rates of alcoholism in the populace as its reason, not holiness.

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Anonymous #7 3w

Did he not also say to “give unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s” aka “pay your taxes” lmfao

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