#3 is right. First of all it was some temporary ruling on a lower court stay. Second of all what the supreme court decides based on very very complicated and arcane legal arguments is whether the president, any president, has the legal authority to issue that kind of ruling. It really has nothing to do with the justices' personal opinions on immigration, at least in theory.
Reading comprehension is -10âŠ. You do realize you just supported the recent steps the government has made to literally revoke American citizens rights? Like step away from the deportations and look at the changes made and how they can affect you, and you MIGHT just realize the scope of all of this finallyâŠ
This specific example isnât even that fucking complicated đ€Ł like weâve been to this exact situation multiple times throughout our history now, and people are STILL saying âoh but precedents donât matter and this is all complicated Iâm sure theyâre doing the right thingâ SCOTUS explicitly said ICE can profile based on race, itâs really that simple lmao and if I have to explain why thatâs a step backwards in rights, you deserve to be gaslighted and lied to by these fascists
Lmao no they didnât. SCOTUS has effectively allowed ICE to use race as one factor among others, which they have consistently ruled is permissible for decades. See U.S. v. Brignoni Pierce (1975), INS v. Delgado (1984), U.S. v. Cortez (1981), and U.S. v. Arvizu (2002). Itâs not a universal right to come into this country. What other rational factors would you suggest? How is race and language spoken not heavily linked to oneâs place of origin, and how is that not relevant to the migrant crisis?
This isnât something uniquely morally outrageous about the current justices on the Court. Ultimately under the rubric of the people in here crying about âdiscriminationâ the only way to manage immigration is to just allow it to happen. Maybe to give amnesty to all of them like Ronald Reagan did late in his presidency? Letâs just let all of them in!
Nobodyâs claiming itâs a universal right other than conservatives looking to put words in the lefts mouth. We want the actual criminals to face the law just as much as you do, we just want them to have their right to a fair trial respected among other basic human rights. That and pulling the rug out from asylum seekers feet, anti science propaganda, authoritarian actions, this is all a human rights infamy happening right before our eyes
The government was officially this racist. Just because its not on the news for white people to watch with popcorn doesnât mean it didnât exist. 20 years ago, Latinos were still getting deported and profiled based on race, black Americans were living in conditions 3x worse than whites and criminalized way worse, and Arabs and Muslims were public enemy #1. Just because its wasnât mainstream for white peoples to watch with hotdogs and sprite, it doesnât mean it didnât exist. And it always haveâŠ
Racial profiling (considering someoneâs race is relevant to their legal status/criminal intent/criminal history) is immoral but prevalent in the US and for a long time yes, SYSTEMATIC racial profiling (using government resources and policies to push ASSUMPTIONS on guilt/intent/legal status based on race) is leagues worse and distinctly different. Has it been going on for a long time, yes, but not as bad as right now lmao
Understood â though, do I define criminality using the same parameters? I agree with all you say about due process, but people donât have ârightsâ to anything. They arenât natural rights either; I could wander out into the forest and nature could well deprive me of the right to life that it gave me. The governmentâs primary duty is to protect the polity. Therefore it should be protecting the interests of born and naturalized American citizens first and foremost.
There very much are basic human rights as defined by the majority of countries around the entire world, and specifically for the US we require all people who are in the US to have the right to a fair trial among other basics in the case that one of these suspected criminals isnât actually a criminal. It all comes down to innocent until proven guilty, which is being ignored in way too many cases
We are not âregressingâ as a culture. The world doesnât revolve around white people, believe it or not. Just because whites have harder lives than their ancestors and hate their boomers, it doesnât mean everyone else does. 2025 America is the best America for me because America has always been statically dogshit for us. And my grandparents and parents would kill to enjoy the things I have. My grandparents couldnât even attend the school I just finished.
Oh yes, I understand human rights are recognized by governments the world over. But they are anything but universal, and certainly not of natural or metaphysical (i.e. God given) origin. Illegal immigrantsâ right to due process is not violated if ICE considers race as one of many factors when deciding whether to detain someone suspected of being in the country illegally.
And thatâs fine and dandy for you but not for everyone else. Plenty of other people are staring at a life of essentially indentured servitude for no fault of their own at a time when civilization is capable of so much better. And I should specify American culture is regressing, at least with the maga movement. Itâs literally based on century old disproven philosophy and discrimination, denotatively regression.
It has been recently though and thatâs the problem. The immigration courts have been in trumps pocket, saying âoutâ with every single person out in front of them that doesnât have immediate proof of residence. There hasnât been investigations or actual trials for countless people being thrown out and we have no way of knowing if these were actual criminals or not. Hence my âinnocence until proven guilty isnât being respectedâ point