Anonymous landtrust 3w

ultranationalism isnt the same as fascism

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Anonymous OP 3w

Japan was fascist

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Anonymous landtrust 3w

they were not a one party state

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Anonymous landtrust 3w

Don’t jinx it. Germany…? I think the trend is countries that have felt fascism tend to reject fascism. Italians would beg to differ, though.

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Anonymous OP 3w

One party state isn’t the same as fascism

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Anonymous landtrust 3w

for a state to be considered fascist by definition, it needs to suppress any opposition to the regime. japan still had the Seiyūkai and Minseitō political parties even under a authoritarian monarch

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Anonymous #2 3w

germany was under liberal democracy before the hitler era

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Anonymous OP 3w

So is political assassination and dissolving the party not suppression?

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Anonymous OP 3w

Seems to me like you just wanna force “fascism comes from liberalism”

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Anonymous landtrust 3w

japan had a tyrannical monarch rather than a political party that took over and erased all the others. they had an emperor worship issue (or Shinto nationalism) not like what happened in italy or germany. historians often call it “militarist authoritarianism” or “japanese fascism” cause its not exactly the same

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Anonymous landtrust 3w

cause it has every time. but again, liberalism is not “the libs” its the free market of opinion. when u let people say, believe, or most importantly persuade others into believing WHATEVER they want… without the ability for interference… it inevitably leads to issues look at jonestown for example. unrestricted religious freedom makes it so the gov cannot interfere when it gets too extreme

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Anonymous OP 3w

Okay call it whatever you want, but it’s pretty clear to everyone it was fascist. I get why there’s confusion, everything under the sun that isn’t far leftist gets accused of fascism. But Japan was actually fascist

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Anonymous OP 3w

People are persuaded by the truth. I don’t see a need to suppress the opposition when you have the truth (not to mention how they’d react if they got power over you!)

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Anonymous landtrust 3w

political historians would disagree with you. it is very similar but because they were under a monarchy, and it wasnt a political party, it isnt considered the same thing

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Anonymous landtrust 3w

people are NOT persuaded by the truth. they are persuaded by what they want to be true. fascism is built on both tradition and myth

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Anonymous OP 3w

Kind of? Post ww1 was only the very beginning of the liberal world order. I’d hardly say they fell out of something they had barely fallen into. Point being after ww2, when the world order was more established, they haven’t strayed as far from that order as much as many other nations have. The US as a prime example.

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Anonymous OP 3w

People are persuaded by the truth and fascism is not built on tradition

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Anonymous landtrust 3w

facism uses tradition and myth to influence opinion. they create modern myths (like the idea that jewish people run the world) and idealize previous, a more traditional, period in the country’s time

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Anonymous OP 3w

Nazism is paganism there’s nothing traditional about it

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Anonymous landtrust 3w

germany had their own version of “make germany great again” before the full fledged nazism

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Anonymous OP 3w

Okay? Germany was objectively worse after being plundered by WW1

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Anonymous landtrust 3w

they idealize the past as a way to demonize the progressive changes of the present. its usually rooted in their kind of white supremacy too

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Anonymous landtrust 3w

what are we even arguing here?? i feel like were not seeing thr same conversation

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Anonymous OP 3w

There wasn’t progressive change happening in Germany. It was just debt to the winners of WW1…

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Anonymous landtrust 3w

cultural change…

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Anonymous OP 3w

I’m arguing that Nazism is not traditional

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Anonymous OP 3w

What cultural change? Germany was German

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Anonymous landtrust 3w

i never said nazism is traditional. i said fascism plays upon, or uses tradition and myth as a selling point in the early stages and the social culture of germany. yk how every new generation complains about how times are changing and it was better back in their day? fascist rulers use that feeling but multiply it like crazy. they convince people the country’s going down hill, that its an emergency and the nation needs them (the fascist ruler) to come in, take all the power and fix it. they als

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Anonymous landtrust 3w

also tend to intertwine myth into that (as seen with germany blaming jewish people for this “catastrophic” change

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Anonymous OP 3w

Fascism isn’t just one thing in a box, which is why you can’t write off Japan as “not being fascist” for x y or z reason

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Anonymous landtrust 3w

so do you want to have a conversation or do you just want to win somewhere?

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Anonymous landtrust 3w

why are we still talking about how to define fascism. fascism often rises (eventually) when extreme views and actions are allowed….. because a free market place for opinion allows the strongest, most influential, not necessarily most true/right opinion to lead. eventually, bad people will abuse this market and capitalize off of people’s weaknesses. this is how cults form. opinions have become cult

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