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Bro if we can’t win against Afghanistan, Iran etc. how tf can we win against the “big bad” China. Like use common sense.
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Anonymous 4d

Because conventional wars against a regular army are nothing like guerilla warfare against a partisan population

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Anonymous 4d

China was defeated by Vietnam in the last war they fought. The Russians were defeated in Afghanistan and Chechnya, and are getting demolished in Ukraine. Further, you have to be able to understand the difference between conventional warfare and counterinsurgency. The U.S. went toe to toe with Iran’s military and almost completely destroyed it in a matter of weeks. The conflict is now asymmetric, which every major power has always struggled with

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Anonymous 4d

I mean, we could have won against Afghanistan For one thing they surrendered a couple weeks in and we rejected it, but more significantly; we only dedicated a very small proportion of our military to Afghaistan, and we didn’t lose until we started withdrawing. If we had actually fully dedicated ourselves too it, we would’ve won easily. But for obvious reasons, public opinion wouldn’t’ve allowed that.

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 4d

And what’s to assume we wouldn’t suffer the same with China should we win the conventional period of warfare? If we have a superior military in the symmetric sense.

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 4d

Both the U.S. and China would take unbelievable losses in a conventional war, there’s no denying that. What I’m getting at is the mistake of looking at a conflict like Afghanistan, where our “defeat” came from our enemy hiding in another country and coming back after we left, or in Iran, where we wiped out their military and now just don’t want to go through a waterway that’s been mined

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 4d

Additionally, Iran’s Hormuz advantage in this conflict is actually our Malacca advantage in a China scenario. We could shut dos the Strait of Malacca and China would be screwed logistically.

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 4d

At the end of the day, no military can defeat the U.S. going head to head in neutral ground. But, if you have the advantage of being in the defense, on your home field, and a willingness to absorb a horrific level of casualties, you can simply survive until the U.S. decides the conflict isn’t worth it.

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 4d

Fair point. I just don’t see this playing out any differently than Vietnam or any other Middle East war we’ve been in

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 4d

Vietnam ended the way it did because the U.S. didn’t commit to an invasion, and because a peace treaty was signed that ended the war on good terms, with the NVA then breaking the treaty after we departed. I just feel like China is viewed as some unstoppable machine, when they lost the last war they fought, quite badly, which was almost 50 years ago.

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 4d

Let’s not forget that the Chinese have purged almost their entire command staff for “loyalty” concerns, and we’ve just watched Chinese air defense systems completely fail in Iran and Venezuela

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 4d

Sorry I forgot to answer the other part of your first question. A war with China would only be conventional. The only counterinsurgency scenario is the PLA themselves if they make landfall on Taiwan. We wouldn’t be attempting an invasion of China

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 4d

War has largely evolved. A conflict either China more than likely would see 0 boots on the ground, we’d just bomb the shit out of everything. I honestly feel that we might not even help Taiwan, it could be a huge bluff.

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 4d

You don’t think war with China would devolve to be that eventually? In a massive, mountainous country of a billion people?

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 4d

No because the U.S. wouldn’t fucking invade China my guy. I mean seriously? We’re talking about pushing back an invasion of Taiwan, nobody serious has ever suggested that an invasion of China is on the table. Do you people do any research at ALL?

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