Anonymous landtrust 10w

I agree with you on many points but I feel like “North Korea doesn’t have human rights abuses actually” isn’t really the move here

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Anonymous landtrust 10w

like would we be vilifying the DPRK purely on the basis of their association w China if they DIDNT have major human rights issues? Probably but like they legit don’t have a good thing going over there

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Anonymous #3 10w

Who knows what’s actually happening inside North Korea. It’s an isolated and impoverished country that wants to remain independent

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Anonymous landtrust 10w

Didn’t they not sign or allow international human rights groups to see how they were treating their citizens?

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Anonymous landtrust 10w

North Korea is a lot like our poor rural communities in America. The independence is more important than the relief that would come from accepting help from the government or others.

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Anonymous landtrust 10w

there’s no such thing as a nation where every single person agrees. The fact that we can’t hear anything from dissenters currently in the DPRK is in itself evidence that there are human rights abuses.

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Anonymous landtrust 10w

Dude like 10% of the population works in forced labor camps. It’s a country run by a dictator that presumably killed his own brother. I know you’re not seriously trying to say it’s even like a decent place to live

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Anonymous #3 10w

How do you know for certain?

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Anonymous OP 10w

I said it was an impoverished country that wants to be independent from the rest of the world. They just want to exist without foreign intervention and I can relate a lot to that

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Anonymous landtrust 10w

how do I know what for certain? that in a given population not everyone agrees?

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Anonymous landtrust 10w

Yeah they don’t want foreign intervention because it’s an autocracy that has committed a laundry list of human rights violations. It feels like you’re just trying to play devil’s advocate here

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Anonymous #3 10w

How do you know that there are human rights violations because we can’t hear anything from dissenters in the DPRK? It could just be that their country is isolated that we don’t hear

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Anonymous landtrust 10w

At the very least we can know for certain that it is run by what is functionally a hereditary absolute monarchy, which is reason enough to dislike it.

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Anonymous landtrust 10w

ok now why are they isolated. Through what mechanisms are they isolated

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Anonymous landtrust 10w

And they also have a culture of resolving conflicts internally instead of outwardly sharing their opinions publicly. This isn’t just Korean culture its Asian culture

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Anonymous #3 10w

They’re isolated because they follow Juche which is a political philosophy of self reliance

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Anonymous landtrust 10w

they’re isolated because the government only allows people to access the internet with special authorization.

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Anonymous landtrust 10w

Also you seem to assume you know a lot about the people of North Korea, considering - once again - we get to hear very little from the actual citizens of North Korea.

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Anonymous #3 10w

Yes, and the reason why the government does that is to keep them independent. I personally think the cultural exchange would be good but they don’t

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Anonymous landtrust 10w

okay so you admit the government forces the people to be isolated and limits their speech to “keep them independent” THAT is a human rights abuse!!

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Anonymous #3 10w

How is that human rights abuse?

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Anonymous #3 10w

Is access to internet human rights?

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Anonymous landtrust 10w

According to the UN in 2016, yes.

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Anonymous landtrust 10w

Article 19 of the UDHR

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Anonymous landtrust 10w

Does it fucking matter dude Jesus Christ a government that doesn’t even let people use the Internet clearly doesn’t want them to find out how people live in other countries or what other countries think of them. Wonder why? Because they treat people like dogshit and the government is repressive

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Anonymous landtrust 10w

anyway if our point of contention is that you don’t actually believe in human rights, I don’t think this conversation will go much further

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Anonymous OP 10w

You’re making a lot of assumptions. There’s a bunch of lies that get spread about North Korea and they don’t want to have to deal with the problems that could come from opening themselves up like that. It’s the same way the top execs keep business secrets private. They don’t want their competitors knowing.

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Anonymous #3 10w

This honestly doesn’t matter to me. It doesn’t affect me, I just don’t want my taxes going towards it and I would prefer if our media focused on issues at home

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Anonymous landtrust 10w

what a strange thing to say as someone who started a conversation about human rights in the DPRK on a joke post

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Anonymous landtrust 10w

Or maybe they know that if people could see what life is like in other countries they’d fucking revolt?

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Anonymous OP 10w

You can’t say for certain. I just know from what their philosophy says

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Anonymous landtrust 10w

Ok yeah I’m unironically just gonna take what the North Korean government says at face value and be skeptical of anyone who tries to be critical. Thousands of people try to defect annually through probably the most militarized area in the entire world because of how shit their life is. People rarely try to go from South Korea to North. I think that tells me most of what I need to know

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Anonymous OP 10w

You can and should be skeptical of everything. What matters is the verifiable facts and that means the philosophy they claim to follow (do they? Not sure)

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Anonymous OP 10w

fr like. sure maybe there’s a timeline in which what landtrust is saying is true, but statistically what is the likelihood of that? Occam’s razor says these people are being repressed. Also again, the very fact that their access to the internet is blocked is, in itself, a human rights abuse.

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Anonymous landtrust 10w

Don’t be so open minded that your brain falls out

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Anonymous OP 10w

Right. Look at the facts not just the things that confirm your existing bias

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Anonymous OP 10w

there is not a govt on earth I trust so much as to believe them if they say there are no dissenters and their people are better off not knowing about the rest of the world

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Anonymous #3 10w

You shouldn’t trust the government

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Anonymous #3 10w

Well, you can. But I expect them to let you down

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Anonymous landtrust 10w

Great, now - who invented the concept of “juche” and what was his job

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Anonymous #3 10w

Kim Il Sung. Founder of North Korea

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Anonymous landtrust 10w

so, this one guy comes up with a philosophy. takes control of a country. Stops the people from interacting with the outside world. And then claims that everyone follows his philosophy and so it’s actually their choice to be isolated do you see why that’s hard for me to believe

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Anonymous landtrust 10w

there literally isn’t a pre-Kim precedent for juche. I have no reason to believe the populace of North Korea embrace it in numbers so huge as to not have a visible opposition

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Anonymous landtrust 10w

and then, the very text of the “ten principles for the establishment of a monolithic ideological system” basically mandates the repression of independent expression even within the DPRK. If there’s a way to do this while respecting human rights let me know lmao

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Anonymous #3 10w

anyway im done now. have a good one

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Anonymous #3 10w

It’s more complicated than that, for example how could one guy take control? It was because has some level of support which came from fighting back against Japanese invaders. So when you stop outside invaders, then you get support. Why are those outside invaders not using the internet as well?

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