Anonymous #2 19w

I don't love that us being allowed to have guns means a school needs to get shot up every month

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Anonymous ittibittikitti 19w

Well do you think that the guns are telling them to commit these atrocities or something

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Anonymous #2 19w

I’d think they would have a lot harder time shooting lots of people with a knife.

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Anonymous #3 19w

I don't really think either should happen, maybe we should figure out how to keep armed people out of schools

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Anonymous #2 19w

I promise that's not the problem; very hard to go on a knifing spree, very easy to go on a shooting spree

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Anonymous ittibittikitti 19w

Why are you OK with mass stabbings in schools? We need to ban knives so this doesn't happen again

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Anonymous #2 19w

I dunno, man, maybe we’re more concerned about guns because when a mass shooting happens it’s often a lot more than six people and happens far more often? like, that’s just how it is honestly I’m not in favor of banning guns entirely, but I’d at least like to see a lot stricter regulation on what TYPE of guns you own, to make sure you can’t get semiautomatic rifles and the like, so you can’t sit in a hotel room, shoot down at a concert crowd, and kill 60 people and injure 413

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Anonymous #3 19w

and I’d rather see all guns banned than the current state of things tbh

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Anonymous #3 19w

Cool story bro but if you don't care about those kids for the sole reason that it doesn't support your agenda than you've got shit morals and I therefore don't really care about your sensationalist propagandizing of gun violence

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Anonymous #2 19w

It is not sensationalist propaganda. You're the one propagandizing yourself. The numbers do not lie: countries with strict gun control laws experience orders of magnitude fewer shootings. We have hundreds of shootings a year here. Most countries have a couple

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Anonymous #2 19w

I'll take 6 people stabbed over 60 people shot my dude. Fuck right off

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Anonymous #2 19w

“I think it’s easier to shoot kids with guns and it happens all the time so we should be more restrictive on guns” “but what about the like one incident where kids got stabbed instead? You don’t really care about kids getting shot” ??? Also- What do you think my “agenda” is, here? Am I getting paid by a company that sells a lack of guns?

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Anonymous ittibittikitti 19w

Shootings don't scale directly with number of guns, that correlates somewhat but there are numerous other conclusions to draw. I could point to a number of countries with less guns and more shootings per capita

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Anonymous ittibittikitti 19w

Also the Las Vegas incident is the biggest shooting in American history, if we wanna compare it that way we could have 30 dead and 140 injured from a knife attack (Kunming Station, China 2014) or 796 dead and 1500 injured from a car attack (Qahtaniyah, Iraq 2007)

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Anonymous #2 19w

It does scale. And no you can't. You're talking out of your ass. Show me some numbers boi

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Anonymous #2 19w

the knife attack took five people coordinated for less damage than the Las Vegas incident the iraq one was literally a bomb? Like I get the point you’re trying to make but the car was just the delivery method. I’m pretty sure bombs are regulated in the US! and hey, wouldn’t you know it? There seem to be a lot of restrictions on cars to make them safe and regulate who can own one. Depending on the state, it is often harder to get a car than a gun.

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Anonymous #2 19w

point to a first world country right now with more firearm restrictions and more gun deaths per capita

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Anonymous #3 19w

Explosives aren't very regulated in the US, shot some just before fire season

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Anonymous #3 19w

So you'll admit that it not only scales with number of guns but also wealth? How about history of having a violent crime problem? Would that play in?

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Anonymous #2 19w

point to a country, then, but most of the time when people talk about gun control they talk about first world countries because America is a first world country, and as such it would be the most similar situation

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Anonymous #2 19w

I mean, IEDs are outright banned as destructive devices. Do we have semiautomatic guns banned nationally?

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Anonymous #3 19w

South Africa has an incredibly high gun homicide rate despite having a significantly lower amount of guns per capita

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Anonymous #3 19w

like you can theoretically make one but it is illegal. you can just buy a gun and everything up to the crime you commit with it is legal.

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Anonymous #3 19w

Like I said I've shot plenty of explosives before, I don't think they're as regulated as one would like you to believe. I can go down to the fuel station and buy a bunch of explosive material any time I want as long as I have a jerry can or vehicle

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Anonymous #2 19w

I don’t know if that’s the example you want to pick considering you’re talking about a country where thousands of guns have been lost from police armories, and it still has a lower mass shooting rate than the US. Also, they implemented firearm control and homicides went down.

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Anonymous #3 19w

France had a higher mass shooting rate than the US at one point, thats not really the most important statistic to me in terms of gun violence because of how loosely defined it is.

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Anonymous #2 19w

this entire conversation started off talking about mass shootings

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Anonymous #3 19w

Well if thats the most important statistic, I just gave you a first world country that had significant gun control and higher mass shooting rates

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Anonymous #2 19w

are you using Lott’s data cause he skewed it weirdly and I can’t find anything else supporting your claim about France here

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Anonymous #2 19w

No it can’t be, you said “at one point” please provide source

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Anonymous #3 19w

Yeah a study of his data by the CPRC found that they had a higher rate

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Anonymous #2 19w

ok, well, he specifically excluded mass shootings due to robberies or gang violence that are more common in the US and included terrorist attacks which are more common in Europe and even then his data contradicted his testimony that Europe has similar mass shooting rates, he just went up and lied, Europe has lower mass shootings per capita. I’m surprised you’re not using his Norway example actually

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Anonymous #3 19w

Yeah wasn't sure off the top of my head if it was Norway or Switzerland

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Anonymous #2 19w

Switzerland has pretty good gun control and compulsive military service so they have a lower rate

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Anonymous #3 19w

I don't really care that I'm choosing to believe one guy with clear and open biases, I'm going against a billion dollar industry that hides their biases incessantly

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Anonymous #2 19w

Norway had one mass shooting in that time period. He used that to argue it has a higher rate. After all, Norway has a pretty small population.

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Anonymous #2 19w

what is this billion dollar industry you are talking about

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Anonymous #3 19w

Anti gun lobbying

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Anonymous #2 19w

you’re out of your mind, I’m done

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Anonymous #3 19w

Sorry you can't coexist with that fact have a nice day

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Anonymous #2 19w

No they did not 😭 we have about SIX HUNDRED shootings a YEAR, France has usually just a few if not zero Your lying ass is getting blocked

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Anonymous ittibittikitti 19w

No, wait, you’re right, even looking per capita France has a lower mass shooting rate than the US (at least last year), I just calculated it out myself.

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Anonymous #3 19w

For some reason I thought it was higher, but 408/342 > 9/69.

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