Anonymous #1 5w

disagree

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Anonymous #1 5w

No I think a minority actively supporting people who hate them definitely makes them dumber than the supporters of those people who are actually in the majority groups. Like all Nazis were either stupid or evil, but the Association of National German Jews was definitely even stupider than the average Nazi.

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Anonymous #1 5w

if you try to make yourself “one of the good ones” for bigots you deserve nothing but the harshest condemnation

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Anonymous #2 5w

Do you not see the problem in this thinking though? The idea is for people to think for themselves. When you tell people how to vote, you are not teaching them to think critically and they will become a person who follows the crowd. Identity politics is a losing game.

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Anonymous #1 5w

I didn’t politicize identity, the bigots who made gay rights a fight that needed to be had in the first place did. I don’t politicize people’s skin color when I talk about how racism is bad, the racists politicized skin color when they built a society on racist foundations. “Identity politics” is just politics under these conditions, not to mention the CONSTANT right wing identity politics of the current day. You want to tell me identity politics is dead under THIS administration?

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Anonymous #2 5w

Yeah, but you can’t just tell people how to vote. They have to make that decision for themselves.

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Anonymous #1 5w

Yeah they do gotta make that decision for themselves, and it’s my decision to think that sometimes, people make bad decisions for themselves. Or are you gonna argue that no decision is a bad decision?

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Anonymous #2 5w

If there was a dictator in this country who did all of the right things, I still wouldn’t want to live in that country because it would have no freedom. One of the great things about America is the freedom to vote how you want for who you want. Freedom is in itself a responsibility because it gives power to the people.

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Anonymous #1 5w

If you want to have a discussion with queer conservatives, go ahead, but discriminating them is going to only radicalize them even more. If you want someone to vote your way, don’t attack their freedom.

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Anonymous #1 5w

Again, I didn’t attack their freedom of choice, I said they’re making a stupid choice that’s gonna get their freedom taken by the exact people they freely chose to stupidly throw their lot in with.

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Anonymous #1 5w

if you are silly enough to be a queer conservative then they’re probably isn’t a lot of room for a robust discussion. these people don’t deserve to have their shitty views legitimized through “discussion”

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Anonymous #2 5w

Some decisions are bad decisions but you never know why a person is voting the way they are. You need to have layers of understanding for certain people if you want to convince them that your ideas are better.

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Anonymous #1 5w

You can’t just expect people to listen to you and your ideas if there isn’t any mutual respect for each other.

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Anonymous OP 5w

Exactly this, I have a friend who is a queer former conservative, and all of his points when he was a conservative were either “you’re blowing the right’s homophobia out of proportion” if it was directly about queer issues, and other conservative stances he held like being pro-gun and anti-taxes and whatnot, combined with “I don’t like ‘rainbow gays’” as he called them, which is literally exactly what I’m talking about with “one of the good ones” like man I have talked with these people.

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Anonymous #2 5w

Talking with them is exactly what made it clear to me that they have incoherent and self-detrimental politics

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Anonymous OP 5w

There is always room for discussion because you don’t know ANYTHING about that person apart from their political party. Saying there is no room for discussion and calling them slurs will create monsters out of people.

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Anonymous #2 5w

You say this friend is a former conservative. What do you think led this person to abandon conservatism? It was probably because he had a good friend like you instead of some rando who wants to force their beliefs on other people.

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Anonymous #1 5w

I mean I like to think I was part of it, but most of it was that he observed the way the current administration has been behaving since January, and is a law student so he knows damn well how insane it is that we have a President who is flagrantly ignoring the US Constitution at every turn. He knew that my disagreements with his politics were harsh, we just didn’t talk about politics every time we hung out. When we did, we argued, and that’s okay if you’re both mature adults.

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Anonymous #2 5w

It sounds like this person is thinking for himself and that is good. You don’t even have to bring up politics all the time either, and it sounds like you made an impact on him. Even though you argued with him, you were still friends at the end of the day and that probably meant a lot to your friend.

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Anonymous #1 5w

yap yap yap

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