Anonymous #1 16w

China lol

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Anonymous #3 16w

China is a state capitalist system. You can see after the 80s after they had pro markets reforms esp in the form of their sezs they saw stable gdp growth.

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Anonymous #5 16w

Are you talking about when NATO bombed Yugo after they were trying to ethnically cleanse Albanians in the 90s lol? To my understanding that was already after socialism failed

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Anonymous blue__wave 16w

Socialism didn’t fail it was mainly because there wasn’t a real succession plan after Tito. Also I feel like saying it “failed” is kind of a disingenuous. It definitely improved the lives of the people from what it before. But the ethic tensions were never fully resolved and Tito was kind of the glue keeping them together

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Anonymous #5 16w

Also North Korean invaded the south and the USSR the other massive nuclear power was doing the exact same thing globally

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Anonymous #5 16w

Yeah so the country failed internally idk how that’s the fault of capitalism. I’m pretty sure they also had some economic turmoil but I haven’t looked that closely into it. I’m sure Yugoslavia did improve after nazi occupation lol.

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Anonymous #3 16w

We produce a greater value of goods and services than china (GDP), and that gap is in large part due to quality

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Anonymous #5 16w

The US didn’t do everything possible to make Julius Nyerere’s socialist Tanzania collapse. In fact, we gave them aid. It collapsed anyways.

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Anonymous #5 16w

USSR is a bad example when Stalin perpetrated the Holodomor genocide

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Anonymous #6 16w

My point was that they got invaded by 12ish countries BEFORE Stalin. Before you had any real “evidence about “socialism being evil” This lead to a bit of a siege mentality that forced socialist countries to adopt more authoritarian measures. Stalin came after that and was probably a result of it

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Anonymous #5 16w

Plus it’s kind of Unfair how people think the ENTIRETY of Soviet history is JUST Stalin… like it had other leaders too. It’s like thinking the entirety of American history was antebellum era. It’s just objectively not true.

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Anonymous blue__wave 16w

First off at the time of the Korean War “North Korea” wasn’t like what it is today. It wasn’t the hermit state it is to day and As a matter of fact a lot of South Koreans supported communism. Which was why the North Koreans were able to push so far deep during the war. South Korean government started executing known communists/suspected communists Also the US basically bombed Korea into the Stone Age and that caused a lot of cultural trauma which made it adopt a culture of security

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Anonymous #5 16w

Yes so they invaded another country another thing capitalism didn’t make them do

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Anonymous #5 16w

The U.S. didn’t turn NK to a “culture of security” Kim Sung was and had been a brutal dictator. You can’t invade another country lose and then imply that’s what caused the authoritarianism in NK.

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Anonymous blue__wave 16w

North Korea was definitely more tame before the war

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Anonymous blue__wave 16w

It’s mainly the whole “Truman doctrine” and the US intervening in all these conflicts.

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Anonymous #5 16w

You realize Kim came into power in 1948 and the Korean War was in 1950 so that’s cool that his two years of power were more chill than the rest. Regardless that’s irrelevant bc he started the war. I can’t believe the Truman Doctrine forced Kim to invade the South that’s crazy why would capitalism do that to him? 🥲

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Anonymous #5 16w

Crazy how people only mention my weakest points. Y’all look into operation condor and the Jakarta method. There is some fucked up shit in there.

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Anonymous #5 16w

No one thinks the U.S. was innocent during the Cold war, but this one sided version of history where socialist countries were just victims like they also weren’t a large power block that also did questionable things is ahistorical.

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