Anonymous OP 3w

Who’s brand of leftism what is antifa?

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Anonymous blue__wave 3w

Wow, feigned ignorance as an argumentation tactic, my favorite. I’ll humor you: Antifa is a disorganized network of political agitators and intellectual and legal support network responsible for numerous instances of violence. Since they are disorganized there is not one set of beliefs but more so a general trend, which is broadly towards anarcho communism

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Anonymous OP 3w

You won’t answer this question, antifa isn’t an organization it’s a decentralized movement, it’s kinda impossible to claim what is the uniform ideology bc there isn’t one. I can pronounce myself as an Antifa member and that wouldn’t be incorrect.

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Anonymous OP 3w

Here is one of those instances of violence associated with Antifa. This was an attempted break away state that lead to the deaths of innocent people https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitol_Hill_Occupied_Protest

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Anonymous OP 3w

Yes based, a random Wikipedia page that has nothing to do with the disagreement.

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Anonymous #2 3w

Have you ever heard of political tact? Yknow I don’t think the National Socialist German Workers party was all that socialist or for the workers nor is the Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea all that democratic.

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Anonymous OP 3w

Have you heard of false equivalency?

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Anonymous OP 3w

That was dumb af and basically just people larping

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Anonymous OP 3w

Let’s talk about violence at the capitol. Oh wait, let me guess, this was antifa too? This is why people laugh at you and Trump.

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Anonymous #2 3w

Entirely a whataboutism, but yes I think that was bad too and those people deserved their prison sentences

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Anonymous OP 3w

I like how you claimed I “feigned ignorance” but then you just conceded to all my claims so there is no “organization” it’s a loose group of people who are left wing.

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Anonymous blue__wave 3w

The wiki page is for CHAZ/CHOP a major riot that demonstrates Antifa’s existence, ideological bent, and acts of violence. It has everything to do with this but yes sure hand wave it away, that’ll definitely prevent a Vance win in ‘28

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Anonymous OP 3w

Did you vote for Trump ?

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Anonymous #4 3w

Yes a LARP that resulted in the deaths of innocent bystanders

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Anonymous OP 3w

Some of the deaths of innocent people were caused by police and fire department incompetence. Your own source says so. Stop this clownery

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Anonymous #4 3w

*some* but not all. Anyone who causes the death of an innocent person should be condemned including the “very peaceful protestors”

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Anonymous #4 3w

Both the RFB and antifascist action were funded and supported by the KPD. So you’re right in a way

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Anonymous blue__wave 3w

No

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Anonymous OP 3w

That’s not my claim dipshit when did I ever say anything about CHAZ. No, what causes a Vance 28 win is when dipshits like you feed into all maga fear mongering about this “this complex terror Marxist network” “that’s taking over cities and has all these money tied conspiracies” when in reality antifia isn’t an organization it’s a movement that is sometimes peaceful and sometimes isn’t peaceful. It’s not analogous to Hamas or Hezbollah. They aren’t occupying Seattle.

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Anonymous OP 3w

Ok if you didn’t vote for Trump don’t run cover for his admin by overplaying what antifa is. I agree people who claim to be “antifa” do shitty things and believe in stupid shit. It’s clearly alarming though when the admin is stating a broad movement is a “terrorist organization” as a justification to occupy a city.

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Anonymous blue__wave 3w

I mentioned CHAZ and you said it was a random wiki page. They did literally take over a portion of Seattle for a time, it was in the news, I can pull up several other sources contemporary to it if you don’t believe me. I used it as an example to show that Antifa is a movement/decentralized network/whatever you want to call it that routinely causes violence. Not disavowing political violence on your side is political suicide and, my point was, that gives ammo to a potential Vance campaign.

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Anonymous blue__wave 3w

Because I want to spend my time making stronger arguments and getting others to make stronger arguments against this admin. Defending antifa is setting yourself up for failure because it’s just plain true that they do commit acts of violence in name of a leftwing ideology you may not even agree with.

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Anonymous OP 3w

It is a random wiki page no one is taking about CHAZ except for you. If I was claiming antifia people are never violent that would be an epic own but that was never my claim. Ok but if we think about how time works “for a time” isn’t now so what’s the justification for the army being there now? Pls don’t bring up more random ass sources omg. Dipshit I just said that “antifia does shitty things” that is a disavowal. Also if you’re occupying Seattle you for aren’t on “my side”.

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Anonymous OP 3w

No bc falling you’re falling for the trap, it’s not antifa it’s never been about antifia occupying American cities has never been about antifia it’s a red herring that you’re feeding into. That’s the problem is liberals (who aren’t based like me) constantly tip toe around this admin and give them good faith. They aren’t good faith it’s bs they know it’s bs. We should know it’s bs instead of justifying the conspiracy.

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Anonymous blue__wave 3w

Ok so why are we even arguing if you think antifa is a leftwing organization that is regularly violent and disavow them? That is my whole point re CHAZ, it was an example I gave to a *different person* of Antifa’s action to preempt a counter argument. I was responding (maybe mistakenly) to a criticism of using that you had.

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Anonymous OP 3w

I never defended antifa I factually stated what it is. I also never said they don’t commit violence. The strawman is so annoying.

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Anonymous blue__wave 3w

If it’s a red herring then just ignore it; ie don’t pedantically respond to posts on Yik yak saying antifa does political violence. Criticize the regime for going after innocent people not antifa

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Anonymous OP 3w

We’re arguing bc Trump isn’t truly concerned about antifa and this playing up of what antifia is just justifies his authoritarian actions of occupying cities.

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Anonymous blue__wave 3w

I believe you lol, I think you misread what I wrote. Ig the argument now is whether it’s a strong or weak line of attack on the admin to waste breath on antifa

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Anonymous OP 3w

Explain how they caused the violence that happened there. Walk me through the evidence

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Anonymous OP 3w

Bc they’re going after innocent people bc the justification is antifia and it doesn’t make sense that’s the point.

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Anonymous OP 3w

You weren’t giving a line of attack to the admin. Do you understand when you draw this broad narrative about antifia and the KPD you’re feeding into their narrative?

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Anonymous OP 3w

I can’t tell if you actually can’t understand this or not. Let’s say we’re in Nazi germany (super loaded analogy I know just roll with it) and Hitler is going on about a Jewish conspiracy. Then you chime in and say something that’s potentially true but feeds into the conspiracy narrative . You’re actively helping his cause that’s the point. You aren’t being nuanced you’re just feeding into a shitty narrative.

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