Anonymous that_pagan_fool 4d

LITERALLY

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Anonymous that_pagan_fool 4d

anyone who knows anything about lynchings knows they’re “public spectacles” suicides usually aren’t. especially in the black community where we have HELLA stigma around mental health

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Anonymous thefuckingfbi 4d

not saying it’s good we have that stigma, but it does mean suicides don’t usually happen in public places.

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Anonymous #2 4d

no we do not. even without the autopsy though, they’re already ruling out foul play

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Anonymous thefuckingfbi 4d

Which is pretty insane? We should be investigating all deaths as if they were murders until conclusive evidence disproves murder

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Anonymous that_pagan_fool 4d

LITERALLY. Hours after they found his body they already ruled out foul play, long before the autopsy, they’re speaking over his family…

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Anonymous thefuckingfbi 4d

like this doesn’t sound like something you would say after or about a suicide at all

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Anonymous that_pagan_fool 4d

Depending on which study you look at, somewhere between a quarter and a third of suicides take place in public places. Cory Zukatis was also found hanging in a public place. It seems irresponsible to call this a lynching without any evidence to support that claim with the climate of political violence we have right now. Suicides are far more common than lynchings

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Anonymous #3 4d

lynchings are constantly covered up as suicides. this happened in Mississippi. in a very public place. in an area that is a hot spot for the KKK. there’s plenty of evidence pointing towards this being a lynching, especially since they were so quick to label it a suicide even before the autopsy and the family hasn’t disclosed anything about his mental health, and is actively seeking a proper investigation.

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Anonymous thefuckingfbi 4d

Yeah thats pretty odd, i’ll definitely be waiting for an autopsy report

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Anonymous thefuckingfbi 4d

What data do you have to support the claim that lynchings are constantly covered up? Are suicide rates higher in areas with an active KKK presence? I don’t think any of that counts as evidence supporting a lynching. The police labeling it a suicide is actually evidence against it being a lynching.

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Anonymous #3 4d

so i should believe the police… who have a track record of labeling lynchings as suicides for literal decades… saying this was a suicide within hours of it happening without an autopsy?? i’m saying this as a black person who was born and raised in the south. i’m not new to KKK shit. Mississippi is a hot spot. a black man hanging from a tree in a public spot in Mississippi seems more like a lynching than a suicide. especially given the statement from his family.

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Anonymous #3 4d

the only evidence you have that it WASNT a lynching is that the police said so.

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Anonymous #3 4d

Your statistics are slightly skewed to be higher than they actually are, you should do more research on this topic

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Anonymous that_pagan_fool 4d

It’s likely because most studies include hotel rooms on the list of public spaces, but considering hotel rooms are as private as your own home… I don’t think they should be considered

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Anonymous thefuckingfbi 4d

How do you know the police have a track record of labeling lynchings as suicides in the modern era? You keep telling me this, but haven’t shown any data to support that claim. 63% of Bolivar county is black, it is highly likely that many of the officers working this case are black.

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Anonymous #3 4d

it takes a single google search to find a million articles detailing instances of lynchings being labeled as suicides. it takes a single google search to find tons of articles about parents begging authorities to look deeper into the deaths of their children that were ruled “suicides”. don’t believe me? take a look.

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Anonymous #3 4d

here’s an example

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Anonymous thefuckingfbi 4d

There are 50,000 suicides every year in the united states. The Tuskegee institute hasn’t recorded a confirmed lynching case since 1955. Statistically, its far more likely this is a suicide.

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Anonymous #3 4d

right because lynchings just don’t fucking happen anymore right LMAO

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Anonymous #4 4d

i’m just saying labeling something like this a suicide within hours of it happening and without a proper autopsy makes no sense… it’s too fast.

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Anonymous thefuckingfbi 4d

People asking the question doesn’t mean you can record it as a lynching. If Mississippi was plagued by lynchings mislabeled as suicides, we would expect that Mississippi would have an artificially high suicide rate. In fact, they have one of the lower suicide rates in the country.

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Anonymous thefuckingfbi 4d

No yea that’s weird I was just offering that the preliminary exam showed no immediate signs of foul play

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Anonymous #3 4d

no?? because lynchings don’t happen often??

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Anonymous #3 4d

suicide happen way more often than lynchings, it makes sense that labeling a lynching as a suicide wouldn’t really increase the rate of suicides

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Anonymous thefuckingfbi 4d

Officials didn’t label it as a suicide yet they said: “At this time, there is no evidence of foul play” Those are not the same thing, its an ongoing investigation.

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Anonymous #3 4d

okay so how did he die if there was no foul play involved?? that implies suicide. they’re saying someone else didn’t do it, so how did he die?

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Anonymous thefuckingfbi 4d

They’re saying theres no evidence someone else did it at this time. You’re putting words in their mouth.

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Anonymous #3 4d

okay so explain to me if no one else did it, how did he die?

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Anonymous #3 4d

was he killed by a ghost?? no if they say no foul play, as in no other party, they’re saying the responsible party was HIM.

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Anonymous thefuckingfbi 4d

Yes, suicides are way more common. Thats part of the reason it makes zero sense to assume it was a lynching without evidence.

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Anonymous #3 4d

i gave you evidence dude. there’s plenty of reasons to believe this was a lynching

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Anonymous thefuckingfbi 4d

They’re saying they haven’t made a determination yet

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Anonymous #3 4d

you just don’t seem to want to listen to the evidence i’m providing?? you said lynchings hadn’t been confirmed since the 50s… i guess that just means they NEVER happen right?

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Anonymous thefuckingfbi 4d

You gave me a headline from an unknown website

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Anonymous #3 4d

and i said there’s millions of articles, that was an example. you’re more than welcome to go look for more because like i said THERES TONS OF THEM.

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Anonymous thefuckingfbi 4d

but they’re not saying that definitively, they’re just saying immediate evidence is not consistent with assault/physical attack

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Anonymous #3 4d

and your point was that there wasn’t a track record of hangings of black people being deemed suicides?? i provided evidence that that was untrue?

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Anonymous thefuckingfbi 4d

An opinion piece from “leftvoice.org” is not evidence

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Anonymous #4 4d

then why rule it out so early into the investigation before the autopsy?

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Anonymous #3 4d

okay find another by LA times, the washington post, i can link those too?

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Anonymous thefuckingfbi 4d

You did not provide evidence that was untrue. Opinion blogs from activists are not evidence.

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Anonymous thefuckingfbi 4d

How are you going to say they ruled it out if they’re actively performing a full autopsy and investigating the death

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Anonymous thefuckingfbi 4d

Feel free to link them, but it would be more useful to cite any actual data contained in the articles

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Anonymous thefuckingfbi 4d

They didn’t rule it out

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Anonymous #3 4d

are we gonna sit here and pretend that official sources will call it a lynching when you YOURSELF said there hasn’t been a confirmed lynching since the 50s?

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Anonymous #3 4d

Washington Post.

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Anonymous thefuckingfbi 4d

Thats my point, there is no data I’m aware of that supports your position. You’re basing your claim on your personal dogma, not any evidence.

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Anonymous #3 4d

is this not data??

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Anonymous #3 4d

“personal dogma” BE SO FUCKING REAL.

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Anonymous #3 4d

i’m sorry you can’t wrap your head around the fact that the KKK is active in the south to this day. i’m sorry you can’t seem to wrap your head around the fact that there have definitely been lynchings within the past 70 years. i’m sorry you think the word of police officers outweighs families, parents, communities of the victims who feel like something just isn’t right. especially given the fact there’s ALREADY A HISTORY OF THIS SHIT. gtfo.

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Anonymous thefuckingfbi 4d

I’m sorry but Raymond Winbush is misrepresenting the data

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Anonymous #3 4d

the comparison here is to black women.

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Anonymous #3 4d

notice how it says nothing about the method either?

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Anonymous thefuckingfbi 4d

Its straight from the CDC

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Anonymous #3 4d

okay and? it’s comparing black men to black women, and it has no methods.

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Anonymous thefuckingfbi 4d

I firmly believe that this person is baiting you atp, and I think it would be better if you stopped engaging

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Anonymous that_pagan_fool 4d

they gotta be, there’s no way they’re this dense

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Anonymous thefuckingfbi 4d

The KKK is active, but membership is near all time lows (an estimated 3,000 to 8,000, down from a peak of roughly 5 million) Let’s be clear, it’s the word of police vs a cousin who hasn’t even outright claimed it was a lynching. The parents did not make any comments in the article linked.

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Anonymous thefuckingfbi 4d

Its saying that the 2nd most likely cause of death for young black men in suicide.

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Anonymous #3 4d

what the fuck is the point of citing how many members are in the KKK? do you think 3,000-8,000 people couldn’t commit lynchings because it’s less than 5 mil?

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Anonymous thefuckingfbi 4d

To give a sense of scale of how much smaller the KKK is today. Yes its still possible for klan member to commit lynchings, but its far less likely than it used to be.

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Anonymous thefuckingfbi 4d

“ no evidence of foul play” does not mean they are certain there was no foul play. All that is saying is that during their preliminary exam exams they did not find any evidence of any

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Anonymous #4 4d

“ According to the coroner, reed’s body will be transported to the Mississippi State crime Lab for…..” I assume it goes on to say that they will be doing further tests

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Anonymous #2 4d

For an autopsy yes

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Anonymous #5 4d

Had to edit it because someone reported my first comment for mentioning names

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Anonymous #3 4d

I see no reason why the police are particularly reliable sources. I have little faith in the methodology they use to draw conclusions.

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Anonymous #6 4d

You don’t have to believe the police are reliable sources. No source has unearthed any evidence that this was a lynching at this time.

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Anonymous #3 4d

You’re the one who tried to cite the determination by police as a reliable source for the actual cause of death. 🤷‍♂️

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Anonymous #6 4d

Multiple things can be true at once. 1. The police ARE a reliable source. 2. The police have not made any determinations yet, I didn’t cite a nonexistent determination. 3. Even if you don’t trust police, there isn’t a single other source with evidence suggesting this was a lynching.

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Anonymous #3 4d

Yeah. And the only thing I challenged in my initial comment was that first point, so clarifying the third point doesn’t really do much in response now, does it?

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Anonymous thefuckingfbi 4d

The only evidence you have that it was is that a news headline said so. You are creating division when you have no idea what actually happened, yes press for the evidence, but don’t throw out wild claims as soon as you see a headline to get outraged over.

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Anonymous thefuckingfbi 3d

Lynchings usually come with other signs of obvious trauma. Either through the victim trying to resist which can result in abrasions as well as the people who do the lynching would also generally inflict some sort of physical abuse to the victim like a beating. It hasn’t been confirmed through an official report yet but I believe the coroner said they had no reason to believe there was any foul play. That could change but a majority of lynchings can be pretty obvious right off the get-go.

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