Anonymous #3 9w

As a republican many of us do it’s only the boomers who support them

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Anonymous #17 9w

Idk man. I’ve met a good amount of fully brainwashed zoomers

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Anonymous #30 9w

Nope

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Anonymous #30 9w

how exactly does it depend? they are literally flying the rebel flag. the confederacy was anti american, that’s the whole point of the start of the confederation was they hated america because of the progressive policies so they denounced the country and started their own.

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Anonymous OP 9w

If it’s being flown in a history museum to be a display that’s fine. If someone is flying it I’d like to know exactly why they’re doing it since there are some people who are not ill-intentioned that fly it for personal reasons.

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Anonymous #30 9w

And obviously the extremely messed up latter

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Anonymous #30 9w

I feel you’re being pedantic. I mean obviously we’re not talking about history museums.

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Anonymous #21 9w

That’s why I didn’t only mention that

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Anonymous #30 9w

Well I mean to that point—as someone who grew up in SW Arkansas, someone who knows of plenty of rebel flags in my home area, you’re either racist or ignorant. You either fully understand and stand for the fact that the Confederacy fought a war to uphold the institution of slavery, or you fly it because your racist grandpa (who probably voted for George Wallace in 68) flew it, and that gives you “pride” in your “heritage”

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Anonymous #30 9w

“You” being someone who flies the rebel flag in this day and age btw

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Anonymous #21 9w

I have never flown it in my life. I just understand that people have different personal reasons for having it in their home or outside, for good or for bad. If I’m judging someone off of using that flag I’m going to take their personal context into consideration.

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Anonymous #30 9w

That’s the thing, I don’t think there IS a good reason to fly the rebel flag. Oh what, are you the world’s biggest Lynyrd Skynyrd fan? I’m not entertaining any justification for flying it because you should know better. It’s no different than flying a N*zi flag if I’m being honest

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Anonymous #21 9w

Can’t really go much further then, if you’re dead set on there being no acceptable reason (which I believe there can be).

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Anonymous #30 9w

I think the Nazi metaphors sets it well, there isn’t much of a reason to hang it up unless you support what it stands for, regardless of what history you may have with it. If you have proud Southern heritage you can fly the flag of their home town, or some other symbol than the one that signifies the literal civil war and enslavement

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Anonymous #30 9w

but the “personal heritage” is literally anti american idealogy. don’t claim that heritage and go and say you’re patriotic because you’re the literal opposite. if you feel pride in being a confederate then you are anti american. it’s that simple. it is ALL ill intentioned in regards to patriotism for america.

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Anonymous OP 9w

I was arguing exactly this earlier when the thread was deleted, the confederacy was going against legally decided and morally acceptable American values, and any modern day confederacy support is at least a little more anti-American than it was at its birth considering it’s been standardized policy for a long time

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Anonymous OP 9w

My guy to a lot of people that is the history of the region. It doesn’t mean they’re unamerican if they so chose to hang it somewhere to in some way appeal to that part of their upbringing, they’re still Americans at the end of day. People can and do fall under the category of “I’m an American from the South, and this is part of my heritage” and still see themselves as Americans. It’s comparable to flying your state flag, at least to me.

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Anonymous #30 9w

yes but their heritage is not american. the confederate was against america that is a fact. they want to support their heritage by being against america. you can be from the south and not fly the rebel flag. why aren’t you getting this? it has nothing to do with your ancestors fighting for the confederacy, they were just as anti america as you. if you want to be patriotic to your southern states heritage fly your states flag.

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Anonymous OP 9w

And you can be from the south and a fly a rebel flag. The confederate states were in the Union before and after the CV, and the flag still being flown in some places has become more representative of the region rather than the actual confederate government. That’s just what it means down there for a lot of people, and it doesn’t make them anti-American. Why aren’t you getting this? You call people anti-American for flying it but you ignore the only thing that would make them anti-American

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Anonymous #30 9w

Which is their purpose in the first place

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Anonymous #30 9w

If you’re anti-American, you are against America. You can fly a flag that is not in historical context pro-American and yet have no internal views that make you anti-American because in your personal context it does not represent that.

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Anonymous #30 9w

If you are to judge someone, judge not only what they do, but why.

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Anonymous #30 9w

What makes them anti-American is because the reason they came into existence was to be the standard for an independent country of states that illegally seceded because they lost an election and were scared they were going to lose their slaves then they attacked the Union’s military bases. All of that is separatism and treason. Hence anti-American.

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Anonymous #15 9w

And yet again you ignore the personal contexts of the individual. You claim someone is anti-American. If you want to argue that the flag in historical context is anti-American go right ahead, because it’d be true. But you’re passing judgement on the individual, and the individual is not the flag, but the person holding it. It’s just a simple ask, to take the person into account.

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Anonymous #30 9w

The personal context doesn’t matter. History matters you don’t get to erase it because you’re an apologist.

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Anonymous #30 9w

This is like saying just because the Nazi flag is accepted to mean something else to a group of Germans, doesn’t mean it’s ok to fly it still

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Anonymous #30 9w

but you wanting to fly that flag purposefully is an internal anti american view and it has everything to do with the historical context. you take pride in the fact your state was anti american💀 why aren’t you getting this?

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Anonymous OP 9w

But you don’t know why, do you? You just make your judgment from the outside because you can only handle things like history books, and not complex things like people. Comparing the Nzi flag to the confederate one is crazy work considering the vastly different experience and outcome.

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Anonymous OP 9w

You don’t bother because you think anyone having it is evil, when it is rare that anyone is on either end of the extreme. Maybe if you were more open-minded and able to put your feet in someone else’s shoes you’d make better judgement. Don’t have to agree with the pair you’re in, but then at least you’d know what’s on the inside.

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Anonymous #30 9w

Regardless of their intentions, it still holds the inherent meaning of succession and rebelling to the American values, and that should be respected and considered

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Anonymous #30 9w

I mean the confederates where the ones that valued industry over basic human rights so they aren’t as different as you’re making it out to be, yes there were other reasons but the rebels literally supported enslavement and other human rights violations

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Anonymous #22 9w

And I choose to respect the person, because if I were being judged and called things like that, it’d be nice if someone would actually go see who I am on the inside.

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Anonymous #30 9w

That’s your choice, just as it’s mine to judge someone for waving what’s obviously an outdated and originally rebel flag. Plenty of people are proud of their southern heritage and don’t wave around flags that were waved against freeing the slaves, why not fly any other southern flag that isn’t so politically motivated and rooted in such moral evil?

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Anonymous #22 9w

Again, it’s up to the person. Its cultural meaning no longer matches the historical one, which is why I’m saying if you’re going to judge someone of that culture to take that into account.

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Anonymous #30 9w

Yeah when people say it represents their “heritage” and “states rights” and “southern pride” when that has always been key in the lost cause mythos disproves your bull shit that the history doesn’t matter.

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Anonymous #15 9w

Is it really bullshit to consider where a person comes from, the person whom you are judging? Sounds fair to me. And I never said that historical context doesn’t matter. It does in many situations, but I think it’s reasonable to put more emphasis on personal context when you’re making that judgement on a *Person*.

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Anonymous #15 9w

I have no idea what “lost cause mythos” even is

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Anonymous #30 9w

“where a person comes from” FLY YOUR STATE FLAG THEN!!! WHY ARE YOU SUPPORTING THE CONFEDERACY??? why don’t you understand just because your ancestors fought for it (and lost) does not make it any more american. they fought against america and you are proud of it. what other personal context is there?

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Anonymous #30 9w

You’re making every excuse for why “oh well it used to mean this but that’s from a long time ago and not now” you’re shrugging history off and making apologist arguments saying that it doesn’t represent what the confederacy stood for is apologetic cope. And the lost cause mythos is the story that the south (especially the daughters of the confederacy) spread after the civil war that made the south noble hero’s fighting for states rights and the north were tyrants who wanted to crush their

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Anonymous #30 9w

Except it’s the confederate flag still, not the Southern flag or something else. I can’t start putting up hammer and sickles on my truck and house and not expect some angry comments or weird looks, because regardless of what it means to me there still a wider culturally accepted meaning that ultimately means more

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Anonymous #30 9w

Southern pride.

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Anonymous #15 9w

Yea never heard of that in my life lol

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Anonymous OP 9w

I have no relation to the South.

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Anonymous #15 9w

Why is it so wrong to be considerate to people?

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Anonymous #30 9w

It isn’t, we’re saying people who fly the confederate flag aren’t the ones not being considerate of the historical context of the flag, that flag represents the most American deaths in any war, the ending of slavery, it’s a pretty big deal that really didn’t happen that long ago

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Anonymous #30 9w

but you support the confederacy lol

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Anonymous OP 9w

I don’t? Why are you pushing your assumptions of me on me?

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Anonymous #22 9w

*people who fly the confederate flag are the ones being inconsiderate* mb

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Anonymous #15 9w

My entire lineage is southern. We are not proud of those who fought. Call it what it is: white supremacy, you nazi fuck

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Anonymous #30 9w

because you’re defending their beliefs so hard. they killed millions of people because they wanted to keep their slaves. that is the context every confederate flag has. what personal context is higher than the hatred that flag represents?

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Anonymous #26 9w

You assume those who are using the flag are in the same mindset as you. KKK had southern lineage, that doesn’t mean everyone in the south thinks like the KKK.

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Anonymous OP 9w

I’m not defending the confederate beliefs. I’m defending people whom you project your caricatures on without ever bothering to know the why. You do it to me too, why is it so difficult for you to accept that I don’t support slavery or any of the things that the confederate government was in favor of?

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Anonymous #30 9w

I’m sorry for treating people like how I would treat me.

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Anonymous OP 9w

When you are passing judgement on someone, you should place emphasis on them. That’s the last time I’m saying it. You get the concept.

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Anonymous #30 9w

It lasted 4 years, and is not a tradition to be proud of. Those who still fly the flag do so either out of malice or gross ignorance, which at this point is malice in and of itself. Fuck. You. You. Nazi. Fuck.

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Anonymous #30 9w

you have yet to provide an example of context that would make flying the flag acceptable

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Anonymous OP 9w

I already have several times, but you don’t believe that they are acceptable. We are at an impasse.

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Anonymous #30 9w

and i have repeatedly told you heritage can easily trace back to state flags, you don’t need the BATTLE FLAG to represent you.

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Anonymous #30 9w

“I’m not defending the confederate beliefs” you say in defense of people flying the confederate flag. Bffr, I’m a Republican too but you’re playing the semantics game

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Anonymous #30 9w

I’m not claiming you’re a bad person for these beliefs and honestly I’ll congratulate you for your optimism, however I don’t think there are any good excuses for flying such a flag with the history associated with it, like what #26 said it’s either flown out of malice or with deep ignorance, and both aren’t acceptable

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Anonymous #9 9w

Flying a flag of a group is not the same as supporting the beliefs. I had a stats teacher who had a USSR war flag. I thought he was a communist until he told me it was his war trophy from defeating the enemy, and then I realized he was embodying his “Cold War kid”

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Anonymous #9 9w

I think this is where we disconnect. If someone associates a good view with something, when they have or use that something that aren’t in the mindset of the original historical context. I can’t in good conscience flame them for those beliefs if they never held them in the first place. That’s why I say consider the person, because their views on something may not match historical contexts, and if they come from a stronger background of their personal views I’m going to be careful about it.

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Anonymous #30 9w

And that’s an entirely different scenario from confederate flags being flown in honor of the South and the confederacy. One is in opposition of its policies and the other is in recognition and culture

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Anonymous #30 9w

I just realized. I didn’t mean you specifically. I used “you” as a stand-in

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Anonymous #21 9w

All good bro

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Anonymous #30 9w

someone’s war trophy is not the same as a the people flying a synthetic co federate flag they purchased, or wearing it on a shirt, or car decals etc. you’re comparing apples to oranges

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