Anonymous ___joker__ 1w

ICE sells their labor for a paycheck. They do not own the means of production. However, their role as workers serves to benefit the corporations that use second class citizenship and the threat of deportation to exploit their workers. Also the private detention centers benefit from being filled by ICE, which is another way in which ICE are class traitors

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Anonymous #1 1w

Exactly, they are class traitors and piglets that need to be hanging upside down

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Anonymous ceo_of_antifa 1w

I’m not a leftist, say take that as you will, but I don’t know if I agree with your framing(Leninist I’m assuming?) about ICE being class traitors. I mean they’re definitely ideologically captured, but even that I don’t really because that gives the impression they’re being tricked. I can’t speak to the older ICE agents, but the newer ones are almost certainly not doing it for a paycheck.

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Anonymous ___joker__ 1w

not doing it for money*

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Anonymous ceo_of_antifa 1w

For police, I think it gets a little trickier or even the American military because I think you can explain those with material incentives, ideological capture, or possibly false consciousness…but ICE? It’s been awhile since I’ve picked up Marx or Lenin, but I’d be curious to see if it can explain core ideological beliefs like xenophobia or isolationism based on racism in regard to ICE.

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Anonymous ___joker__ 1w

Obviously racism and xenophobia are HUGE factors, and I am not a ML that denies intersectionality and privilege. It is more so their role serves as a tool for fascism, which is a protectorate that is mobilized for capitalism.

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Anonymous ceo_of_antifa 1w

I take an approach that bigotry in this regard is linked to capitalism, and I take a lot of ideological inspiration from looking at the black panther party.

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