Anonymous #4 14w

when is the last time people using guns against the government in the U.S. was productive whatsoever? if the govt thought the citizens having guns had any chance of posing a threat to them we would not have them

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Anonymous #2 14w

My friend, that is why they don’t want us to have them. Neither party is truly pro-gun. Republicans allow their own people to have guns, but historically favor taking them from minorities (see: Black Panthers). Trump himself has supported anti-gun policies. They merely pretend to be pro-2a. Power is the enemy of power. No one in control wants us to think we can rise up. The fascists want their followers acting as a militia to support their oppression, arresting/declaring others mentally ill

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Anonymous #4 14w

so you agree they will take weapons from people they deem threatening

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Anonymous #2 14w

100%. Trans people and anyone deemed “dangerous illegal immigrants” will be first, then they will find ways to take them from more groups. ADHD/Autism will probably one of the next up, and eventually the rest of LGBTQ+. Plus the proposed “Trump derangement syndrome” as a mental illness. The only reason these efforts have not been prioritized more is that they underestimate our readiness and assume we align with anti gun DNC policy. Friends, build your community and quietly ready yourselves

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Anonymous #4 14w

The epidemic of firearm deaths is the direct outcome of moronic policy making and burying of gun violence studies by NRA lobbyists. Think of all the acrobatics you have to execute to explain how the only first world country with more guns than people somehow has a non gun reason for more kids dying from shootings than car crashes or cancer. We have too many guns and too little meaningful gun restrictions, that is why these people are dying

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 14w

And can you provide any actual use case for civilians using guns to resist government tyranny today? Are we gonna shoot ice agents in the street? Short of a civil war I don’t think so. And if a civil war breaks out, will your personal firearm make a difference if the military is aligned against the people? Again, I don’t think so

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 14w

You’ve made a faulty assumption that we are a leading first world country that does not have issues other first world nations lack. This is false. The US has an epidemic of unchecked aggression, mental illness, selfishness, and otherism. You are right, the NRA has been a problem. They do not exist to protect 2a rights anymore, however. They exist to maintain the status quo and the illusion of their power. As soon as remaining gun rights are codified the NRA has little reason to exist

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 14w

I'm not going to advocate for the things you mentioned. What I'm going to do is tell you that the logical conclusion of revolution against tyranny and police/military/gov backed militias does look like civil war. Government power is derived from a monopoly on violence. The law means nothing when the government decides to stop following it and no one checks them. I hope we can emerge from this without violence, but our system has broken down in a fundamental way.

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Anonymous #4 14w

Last thoughts: 1. Don’t make the mistake of comparing one person with the entire military, police, etc. Strength does exist in numbers and the US military is famously bad at fighting guerrillas on their home turf. The US military is also made up of people who are not all in favor of this nor willing to fight their neighbors. 2. I urge you to be peaceful. Remember though, if you do not have the capacity to be violent, you are not peaceful— you are helpless.

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Anonymous #4 14w

Not a faulty assumption in the slightest. No other first world country has anywhere near the amount of shooting deaths that we have. We have very low levels of crime and struggle with mental health like most of our peer nations. The difference is that our violent and suicidal countrymen have access to guns everywhere, so they often shoot before other options can be considered.

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 14w

The NRA exists to sell weapons to Americans. It’s not a coincidence that they’ve spent billions of dollars on ad campaigns to convince Americans that they need ever more powerful weapons. They benefit from chaos and uncertainty and they’re unbothered by the people who are killed by the guns flooding our streets

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 14w

I absolutely hope we can emerge from this without violence. My point was just that no revolution has ever succeeded when the military stays loyal to the incumbent. If the military stays intact then personal firearms won’t make a difference.

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Anonymous #6 14w

The number one is accidents (unintentional injuries). I never said that it was children being killed intentionally. This has been studied. The problem involves people just leaving a gun in a place they don’t think a kid can reach and they shoot themselves or someone else. Or leaving it loaded. Etc.

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Anonymous OP 14w

First of all, accidents happen with other situations as well. Secondly, what you’re saying means it’s an issue of responsibility and education, not the firearm itself.

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Anonymous #6 14w

Very true. Accidents happen. You know, car accidents are a huge problem. There’s drinking, texting, etc., but they still realized seat belts lessened that so they made them a requirement. I’m not saying ban guns, but something that is dangerous should have regulations. It should be required to be stored in a safe so children can’t access it, it shouldn’t be loaded, if we have high capacity semi-automatic rifle (which isn’t necessary for civilians) then that needs extreme regulation.

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Anonymous #6 14w

I have nothing against the second amendment, or people owning guns. I just believe that we should take steps to regulate it further. It’s been shown that states that have more protections (background checks, gun safes, waiting time, magazine limits, etc.) have fewer deaths. So to say that it’s not a firearm issue when countries that don’t have them also don’t have this issue is narrow-minded.

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Anonymous OP 14w

Who are u to say a semi automatic rifle isnt necessary to civilians. I think it’s every persons right to defend themselves, their families, and their property with the most effective tool possible.

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