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It is ____ to refer to Israel as a theocratic ethnostate
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Factually correct
Morally correct
Morally wrong
Factually wrong
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Anonymous 1d

It’s not exactly correct to call it theocratic. Their religious courts (particularly the orthodox Jewish court obviously) have way too much influence in government, but it is not properly a theocracy. In fact the reason a lot of ultra-orthodox Jews are against Israel is because it’s too secular.

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Anonymous 1d

Why include “morally correct/wrong”? What does that mean? If it’s correct it’s correct, I don’t see how morality matters here

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Anonymous 1d

This is all so tiresome…I am so tired of talking about Israel with people who don’t even know what the Western Wall is.

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Anonymous 1d

Factually and morally wrong

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 1d
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Anonymous replying to -> #2 1d

Shut up nazi

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 1d

you can’t just call everyone that criticizes israel a nazi bro

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 1d

It's the same lazy troll that's always on here

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 1d

I can call anyone who is a nazi a Nazi bro

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 1d

please explain why me calling apartheid israel makes me a nazi. go on.

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 1d

Lying about Israel and spreading known disinformation to push a nazi agenda makes you a nazi. Make sense?

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 1d

oh please tell me the lie i’m telling. what disinformation am i spreading?

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 1d

If anyones a Nazi it's the Israeli government and IDF. Invading, raping, and mass murdering anyone they want.

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Anonymous replying to -> #3 1d

Shut up nazi

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 1d

“Israel is an apartheid state”

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 1d

okay! so let’s unpack this. i want you to define an apartheid for me before i explain why israel is an apartheid.

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 1d

it’s okay if you don’t know what an apartheid is… i know that’s a big, scary word

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 1d

I think calling it an ethnostate is correct though. Like i don’t really know if there’s a way to argue that’s not the case. It’s dominated by a particular ethnic group and explicitly exists to further the interests of that ethnic group but not others. Israel doesn’t limit citizenship or voting rights only to Jews, but the government is comprehensively dominated by them and exists primarily to serve their interests.

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 1d

Stop slandering Israel and go back to your Fuentes stream

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 1d

How is it morally wrong but factually correct? Not even sure what morally wrong/correct is supposed to mean here

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 1d

If Israel isn’t an ethnostate as you claim, that would mean its government doesn’t only exist for Jewish people. Wouldn’t that also mean that criticizing said government wouldn’t be antisemitic, as it would purportedly also be the government of Arab Israelis?

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 1d

Like it really plays your hand when you treat any and all criticism of a government as bigotry. You can criticize a government in a bigoted way, but literally every government deserves to be criticized.

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Anonymous replying to -> build_the_ballroom 1d

“Build_the_ballroom” good luck finding anybody to take your opinions seriously

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Anonymous replying to -> build_the_ballroom 1d

idk bro i don’t really think the culture of israel is relevant to whether or not they’re a genocidal ethnostate. like i don’t need to understand the entire history of russia to criticize them for invading ukraine, yk? they’re invading a sovereign nation they can be criticized for it.

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 1d

If you want to have a conversation with a modicum of nuance, you need to have a baseline understand of the conflict and the conditions around it. Screaming “genocide!” will only get you so far in convincing people, regardless of its truth.

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Anonymous replying to -> build_the_ballroom 1d

I am very informed in Israeli history. I think calling the Gaza war a genocide is accurate. Even if you don’t think it meets that level, the government is still committing ethnic cleansing, collective punishment, settler colonialism, and a slew of other war crimes. So they’re not off the hook either way. Israel defenders seem to always disappear when it’s clear I know what I’m talking about.

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 1d

I’m sorry who are you? I just joined this platform today, and I am FAR from an “Israel defender”

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 1d

No, you are not informed at all actually

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Anonymous replying to -> build_the_ballroom 1d

Well “build_the_ballroom,” I had assumed a certain political affiliation within the context of this comment section.

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 1d

Mhmm. So explain why I’m wrong.

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 1d

hey bro still waiting on that definition btw. please define apartheid in your own words.

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 1d

I don’t debate nazi swine like you

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 1d

i’m not asking you to debate me i’m asking for a definition. can you please define apartheid?

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 1d

I don’t honor the requests of Nazis

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 1d

It’s incredible that you show up so much but never ever try to argue your point at all. It’s kind of impressive how you can hold a position so fervently but never defend or justify it.

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 1d

then why tf are you here? back it up or stop talking.

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