Anonymous mushy.the.mushroom 2w

I guess just rephrase it a bit but yk. Careful.

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Anonymous mushy.the.mushroom 2w

No, I think this is specifically targeting leftists who justify their stances by naming these characteristics but refuse to acknowledge that they benefit from white privilege and are even blinded by it

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Anonymous #3 2w

They refuse to let brown and black people ever take the forefront of issues that they are better qualified to speak on

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Anonymous #3 2w

No like I totally hear you. And that’s definitely a real and valid criticism, but this reads like a nazi manifesto until the very last sentence lmao

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Anonymous #3 2w

It’s just a phrasing thing tho I think. I figure the underlying sentiment is correct.

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Anonymous #3 2w

I would argue tho that the ultimate separation between people is not race, but class. Frankly I think Fred Hampton was on the money about that, especially because they assassinated him for it.

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Anonymous mushy.the.mushroom 2w

Sometimes I think so, and sometimes I think that’s something white supremacist leftists use to silence brown and black voices.

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Anonymous #3 2w

It can be both.

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Anonymous #3 2w

And no, white supremacist and leftist are not mutually exclusive

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Anonymous #3 2w

Not inherently but I’d argue if you’re a white supremacist who identifies as a leftist you probably have a very contradiction prone internal world lmao

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Anonymous #3 2w

But like, they definitely exist. I’ve run into a few.

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Anonymous mushy.the.mushroom 2w

having basic context of how white ppl weaponize their marginalized identities above racial ones would make this read less like a nazi manifesto (in your opinion). i know you mean well by pointing out phrasing but it seems ppl are getting the message. as long as they have good comprehension skills i don’t think phrasing is too much of a problem.

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Anonymous OP 2w

Except I had that basic context and it still read like a nazi manifesto until the last sentence. You’re right, people do understand what you were saying. You certainly saved it in the last bit. But had you not provided that context? It would look pretty fuckin bad man.

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Anonymous OP 2w

I’m not coming after the idea, you’re correct, I’m just saying maybe be a tad bit more careful how you phrase shit.

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Anonymous mushy.the.mushroom 2w

alrighty 👍

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Anonymous OP 2w

I think it is unfair to blame white people for individually having that privilege. It’s not like they chose to be born that way. When people use it to consolidate power and marginalize others then yeah it’s absolutely worth pointing out and criticizing. That said, if someone is actively using their position to speak out in favor of others, then criticizing them for having it just seems like looking for reasons to hate on a person who doesn’t look the same as you.

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Anonymous #4 2w

They aren’t blaming white people individually tho. They’re just saying that you have an innate privilege in this country by being white. Which trust me, is very fucking true. I have personally experienced that lmao

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Anonymous #4 2w

It’s not like they’re saying you’re evil for being born white or something

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Anonymous mushy.the.mushroom 2w

some ppl are quoting my post now and seem to get the message isn’t a nazi manifesto so that’s good. also i promise im not being passive aggressive, i think at this point you already know im bad at phrasing things but i mean well :)

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Anonymous #4 2w

It’s not about white people being innately bad, it’s about white people just being clueless when they need to listen. Like ultimately there are things I haven’t experienced and don’t understand and therefore I should let people with knowledge of those things be the people to speak out about them.

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Anonymous OP 2w

No stress by dude, in that regard we are kindred spirits. I too am shit at phrasing things. Like I said, as long as they read the last sentence, they should know you’re not a Nazi lmao. If they read the whole thing it’s on them.

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Anonymous smithereen 2w

I can probably have some nuance when it comes to like, my own identities. But I am not the Arbiter of Racial Justice just because I read some Twitter posts talking about racism. Intersectionality means you have to shut up sometimes and listen.

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Anonymous smithereen 2w

It’s the same way you let people with disabilities talk about the accommodations they need and their struggles instead of being a patronizing asshole Except people just get mad when you say you should let black and brown people talk about their lives themselves therefore proving the point of this post LMAOO

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Anonymous mushy.the.mushroom 2w

That I definitely know is true trust me

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Anonymous smithereen 2w

I’m on y’all’s side with this I understand and have the same position. Literally all I’m saying is that there’s people out there who use white privilege to discredit people who are doing things as best they can and to the best of their abilities/knowledge. Whenever people are genuinely clueless like I said yeah then it’s fair. But yall are a perfect example of jumping on me about this when I have literally written essays about how white privilege has impacted my own life.

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Anonymous #4 2w

Understanding that you have white privilege is the baseline. Letting black people talk about racism is the actual thing we should be doing. We all know racism benefits white people, we don’t need to be broken records.

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Anonymous #4 2w

If you genuinely care about activism, it’s a learning process. You’re going to get jumped on and be “not woke enough” or whatever. Instead of feeling attacked just try and open your mind a little, it’s not about winning it’s about knowledge.

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Anonymous smithereen 2w

Certainly so, but when those come in the form of reiterating this I already understand and actively talk about to others, it’s a bit demeaning because those people are assuming a certain position about me without understanding who I am or what I believe or do

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Anonymous #4 2w

You’re centering yourself when it’s probably not about you. If someone is like “ugh those annoying white people,” if you’re not an annoying white person you should feel totally fine. I’m not saying you should be happy every time someone tells you you’re wrong, but that you should just be ready to *be wrong* or *not be the center of attention.* it’s not about you!

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Anonymous smithereen 2w

Valid. My initial point wasn’t meant to be centered on any individual. But you’re right, I took things towards me later on.

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 2w

Wait, I just reread the post, this doesn’t change your point at all. I’m just an idiot. Carry on.

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 2w

no you’re not an idiot don’t worry bout it

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Anonymous #7 2w

womp womp

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Anonymous OP 2w

"Now I make fun of disabled kids like great TV star. Har har. I am funny." -OP

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Anonymous #7 2w

why do you hate black and brown people

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Anonymous OP 2w

I don't hate anyone TT I just don't think we should put white people down to bring other people up There is a world in which we can uplift others without disadvantaging anyone

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Anonymous #7 2w

you cant uplift others if you can’t acknowledge that your race is perceived as more superior than everyone else’s and that’s the main reason why poc are being disadvantaged

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Anonymous #8 2w

and also oppression is not a constant thing like there’s no blanket “biggest privilege of all” in all time/place/circumstances or whatever. sometimes different things are a bigger benefit than others. there’s levels to this shit

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Anonymous OP 2w

Any statistical or perceived disadvantages are simply social results of groups putting themselves down. It doesn't matter who you are, if you believe that you cannot be great you will not be great

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Anonymous #8 2w

there’s levels to this shit and the highest level is white supremacy. sorry not sorry.

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Anonymous OP 2w

ok

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Anonymous #7 2w

how tf can a group put themselves down? is there a name for this phenomenon? i’d love to know what statistics you have to prove that poc just don't want to have equal opportunity and that we want to be discriminated against

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Anonymous OP 2w

It's not that they don't WANT to have equality it's that they feel they CANT have equality And ultimately that is the reason they WILL not have equality It's a culture thing

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Anonymous #7 2w

got it, so white ppl displacing, enslaving, and massacring poc around the world without any repercussions must also be a culture thing

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Anonymous OP 2w

That's not what I said. That also happened a few generations ago in the cases of modern important countries

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Anonymous #7 2w

i hate to break it to you buddy (you must be new here) but it’s still happening today. you seem to believe poc just let white ppl do those things to them bc of “poor self esteem” and not an unprecedented bloodthirst to colonize and control by any means necessary

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Anonymous OP 2w

Alr well buddy I'm talking about in America (drk or care where you're from) but the US hasn't really done any settler colonialism in a bit

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Anonymous OP 2w

and also in regards to your previous comment, I don't hate "brown and black people". I don't hate anyone. I don't hate white people enough to tear them down for their ancestors actions (however misguided) just like I don't hate non-white individuals into being stigmatized. I look at everyone without regard to color because I'm not going to live my life guilty for stuff I've never done just like how I'm not gonna judge someone else for stuff they've never done

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Anonymous #7 2w

sure we are! let’s not forget america is still stolen land, no matter how long ago it was stolen. we’re just in the late stages of a successful settler colonial project. also, israel is a more recent example of settler colonialism, and our own tax dollars are paying for that colony. billions and billions of $$ towards maintaining an illegal occupation of land.

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Anonymous OP 2w

It's not illegal occupation (the area belonged to Jewish people's prior to the existence of any modern nation state), and maybe you should stop diverting. Also, who the hell cares that "America is still stolen land". Girlie by that logic the entire world is stolen land because nomads had claims to land long before any nation or people group did

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Anonymous #7 2w

why shouldn’t you feel guilty? what your ancestors did was monstrous and cruel. you should be upset about it, so upset that you should be willing to put in the work and effort to make things right for the people who suffer and continue to suffer as a consequence of centuries of oppression. “i don’t see color” isn’t helping anybody but yourself.

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Anonymous OP 2w

So you think people of color can't get into a better social condition on their own? You think they aren't good enough to treat themselves with respect?

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Anonymous #7 2w

well speaking as a person of color, i think we’re more than qualified to achieve better social conditions, but the “on their own” and “treat themselves w respect” parts are concerning. a functioning society doesn’t work like that. poc don’t achieve better social conditions “on their own” if white ppl who live alongside them refuse to acknowledge that poc deserve those conditions and work towards allowing those conditions to exist. also, what makes you think we don’t treat ourselves with respect?

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Anonymous #7 2w

why do you think there are so many laws in this country explicitly protecting the rights of non-white people? do you think those laws were written so that poc could “respect themselves more”? surely all people in this country have always had all equal rights all the time, and the poc must have never known they had those rights! how nice of white people to make those laws for them so that they can boost their self-esteem!

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Anonymous #8 2w

I think its totally fair, but I don’t think whiteness is anywhere near the most impactful privilege if we are talking about the US in 2025. It depends on the time and country, it would definitely be the biggest in South Africa in the 1960s for example. In the US in 2025 though, I just don’t see it ranking above disability, gender, or economic status. Queeness is more understandable because its less immediately obvious in most situations.

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Anonymous #10 2w

If I had to rank the privileges, able-bodiedness and wealth would rank way further above being white. Someone who is a black American but has some moderate amount of money and is healthy will have a way easier time existing than a white American who is in poverty and has a chronic condition. Idk how you can argue otherwise honestly.

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Anonymous #10 2w

you completely missed the point of what i’m saying

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Anonymous #8 2w

like what does trying to rank it accomplish. don’t sit around being like “um ackshually i’m more oppressed than black ppl” like dude i’m a disabled transsexual and i’m still not gonna act like i have it off worse than most people, because i’m fairly well off. all of this shit INTERSECTS. that’s why it’s called intersectionality. this is base level shit. look into DeGraffenreid v General Motors. this is not a novel concept

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Anonymous #8 2w

i’m glad you brought degraffenfield up so i can elaborate. crenshaw’s framework was developed within the conditions produced by white supremacy, and it emerged to expose how black women’s experiences were marginalized within both feminist and antiracist frameworks. so, to suggest that all oppressions operate on an equal playing field overlooks the historical reality that racial hierarchy has been a structuring force within modern social, political, and economic orders.

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Anonymous #8 2w

in other words, intersectionality isn’t about ranking oppression but about recognizing that these systems interact within an uneven terrain of power. white supremacy has often functioned throughout history as the foundational logic shaping other forms of domination and oppression. it simply is the most dominant form of oppression in this period of modern history, and to say otherwise is disingenuous.

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Anonymous OP 2w

Why are you assuming that every white persons ancestors had a hand in slavery? Not everyone had connections to America at that time. You are pointing fingers at people who a. Never owned slaves themselves and b. could have ancestral ties to other countries. That’s why you can’t run around asking people if they feel guilt when you don’t know anything about where they came from.

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Anonymous #11 2w

irregardless if you can or can’t pinpoint down exactly how much your ancestors were involved in large scale human rights violations, you still benefit from their actions today as a white person, and that is an undeniable fact. the legacy and history of white supremacy has been bestowed onto to your generation. i shouldn’t have to remind you, WHITE PPL AREN’T NATIVE HERE TO AMERICA. THIS COUNTRY WAS BUILT ON MASSACRING AND TORTURING NON-WHITE PPL. you can’t erase that history.

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Anonymous #11 2w

like no shit you have ancestral ties to other countries tf… and do you think america is the only country that benefits from white supremacy? it may have been one of the largest slaveholding societies but that’s not the only way white ppl historically have tortured poc.

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Anonymous OP 2w

Technically by your words if you aren’t strictly Native American then you also are not native to America and therefore are living on/contributing to stolen land as well. That would include non-native poc

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Anonymous OP 2w

The victim mentality, guilt tripping, and finger pointing tactics surprisingly don’t make most people want to listen to what you have to say. If you want to hold grudges against people who aren’t even alive anymore and make that your entire personality, go for it. It’s ironic how villainizing and stereotyping is ok in one direction but not the other.

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Anonymous #11 2w

great use of those brain cells. yes, i’m aware im living on stolen land as a non-native poc. many non-native poc were forced even against their will to live here as a result of their ancestors being enslaved. i’m also aware of the responsibility i have to advocate for their rights and existence on this land. unfortunately for you, that doesn’t mean i’m white, and i don’t benefit from a history of exploitation the same way you do.

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Anonymous #11 2w

yea well you don’t listen to what we have to say no matter how we tell you anyways. it’s kinda the reason why we’ve gotten to this point and why history looks the way it does.

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Anonymous OP 2w

You’re benefiting off the land and benefiting by living in this country as a citizen. You can deny it all you want, but at the end of the day regardless of race you live here and therefore are benefiting from that history by possessing the title of an American citizen.

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Anonymous OP 2w

Again, maybe it’s the approach that doesn’t get you very far. That is all.

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Anonymous #11 2w

…yes i’m aware of that? it’s kinda why i live here. it doesn’t sound like you are aware of your own benefits tho

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Anonymous #11 2w

or maybe it’s ignorance.

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Anonymous OP 2w

I just don’t feel as though I live a disproportionately privileged life. I certainly don’t feel like I’ve been able to use my race as a leg up or a way to get what I’ve wanted. I’m not gonna sit on here and list all my issues and tell my life story to strangers. But at the same time I’m sick of people making judgements or statements like this original post and then trying to pass it off as not being invalidating.

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Anonymous OP 2w

This is a conversation of now and the way things are now. And quite honestly there are bigger fish to fry in the current day and age and if you can’t see that or want to ignore that, that is your choice.

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Anonymous #11 2w

maybe it’s time to investigate why you feel that way and start to accept the experiences of people who don’t look like you, even if you don’t like to hear it. the biggest fish in the current day and age is ignorance and the refusal to engage with ideas that make you feel uncomfortable. how can you expect things to change if you’re not even willing to hear out anyone who needs the change?

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i’m aware it’s a scale and im aware it’s not “black and white” (figuratively and literally) as you’re trying to suggest, it’s still important to acknowledge the significance and impact of each marginalized identity in a historical, political, and economic context. we’re on the same page here but you seem to have issue with how im phrasing this. how different marginalized identities interplay can deeply affect individual and collective experiences of oppression.

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Anonymous OP 2w

yeah like i’ll drop kayfabe here, i’m a functional alcoholic in the middle of a relapse and usually i am pretty coherent even when blackout drunk but i just realized i misread this and i retract everything i said like. yeah no you’re 100% right my bad

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Anonymous #8 2w

like obv this is the internet and furthermore it’s an anonymous app but i’m being much more sincere on this than i am in a lot of instances. you have no collateral to believe this but i’m still leveling with you. like said, my b

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Anonymous #8 2w

hey it’s all good 👍 i caught your drift, no bad blood here. i like discussing things and hearing different perspectives so i enjoyed seeing your input and thoughts. don’t worry about it, im just a stranger on the internet. make sure you take care of yourself buddy :)

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Anonymous OP 2w

<3 <3 <3 ty for being able to basically just like hear “my bad” and understand How It Is

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