Anonymous #1 5d

There’s this wonderful thing called “refusing” 🤯

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Anonymous OP 5d

Why blame the ppl instead of the system that grooms them into this

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Anonymous #2 5d

I blame both, the system doesn’t function without willing participants

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Anonymous OP 5d

Refusing? They’re contractually obligated. They’re literally government property

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Anonymous #1 5d

Yeah, it’s called manning up and either taking the prison sentence while standing on your principles, or hopping the border

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Anonymous OP 5d

bro thinks the US gov won’t extradite you for deserting 😭 hopping the border doesn’t work, jail is your only option

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Anonymous #1 5d

1. Non extradition countries exist 2. Yeah man up and take it, otherwise don’t expect sympathy when you are shot the fuck down lmao

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Anonymous #3 5d

Random innocent lady versus guy who blows up children 💀

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Anonymous OP 5d

Protester trying to kill federal agents poorly vs airman serving his country

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Anonymous #3 5d

uhhh not quite

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Anonymous OP 5d

Real difference is though, Renee chose to go out that day and attack feds. Airmen aren't the ones choosing to fight Iran.

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Anonymous OP 5d

They are groomed into being willing participants

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Anonymous #3 5d

“Serving his country” and it’s the Epstein class and Israel lmao

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Anonymous #2 5d

And young Germans were groomed to join the nazis, should that just excuse their actions? How far are you willing to take this line of logic lol

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Anonymous OP 5d

I don't really like the Trump admin either but if you're celebrating the death of American servicemen and expecting it to lessen the division in this country you're a fucking moron

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Anonymous #3 5d

Who said they care about division?

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Anonymous #3 5d

They aren’t servicemen, they are thugs who murder and pillage the rest of the world, their victims are the ones who are actually “underprivileged”. I’m not claiming to lessen division, just giving you the truth

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Anonymous OP 5d

Then I don't understand why you even bother questioning how these people came to power, or how they stay in power. You're purposely ostracizing your team from the political power that determines shit like this by strengthening division

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Anonymous OP 5d

I will take it as long as it can possibly go. Blame the system not its victims. Infact the capitalists want us poorons to blame eachother

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Anonymous OP 5d

I also don't think you have any moral authority to highroad me while relishing in the death of your fellow countrymen.

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Anonymous #2 5d

Well you can’t take that logic as far as it can go or you justify anything you are ordered to do. Besides I’m simply saying that service members need to stand the fuck up, we all have a responsibility to oppose imperialism, then even more so considering they willingly joined a violent genocidal force.

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Anonymous #3 5d

You are ostracizing yourself by failing to take accountability for the horrendous actions of our country and “servicemen”. If feels icky to you that someone would mock the death of world oppressors, look in the mirror.

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Anonymous #3 5d

Relishing the death of American murders is actually the only moral thing to do

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Anonymous OP 5d

Iran is also imperialist its two imperialists fighting eachother anyway

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Anonymous OP 5d

It doesn't just feel icky, it's downright hypocritical. You can't logically argue that you're on the side of moral good, as in hate all death/war, while picking sides and relishing in the deaths caused by war.

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Anonymous #2 5d

Iran is not “imperialist”. Imperialism does not mean “when a country does bad things”.

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Anonymous OP 5d

I’m sorry but why do we need to take accountability 😭 we’re not deployed

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Anonymous #2 5d

😭😭😭

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Anonymous #3 5d

I don’t claim to hate all war, it’s not hypocrisy, I hate American imperialism. I think that Iran has every right to defend themselves against unprovoked aggression

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Anonymous #2 5d

Well they have proxies but it’s not really the same 😭

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Anonymous #1 5d

We need to take accountability because our country is responsible, but yes obviously the greatest burden falls to those deployed who now have the moral obligation to refuse to serve.

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Anonymous OP 5d

Iran has killed over 1000 americans since the 80s

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Anonymous OP 5d

Wait does that mean you’re responsible too?

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Anonymous _orangutan 5d

1000 dead americans since the 80s but youd laugh at that fs fake leftist

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Anonymous OP 5d

Yeah and there it is. You don't actually hate death, war, or the suffering of either. You hate America.

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Anonymous #2 5d

I don’t care, America has literally killed over 20-30 million fucking people since ww2

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Anonymous OP 5d

Nice admission you don’t care about civilians dying lmao

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Anonymous #2 5d

they’re coerced the same as us all under capitalism. no one made them become a class traitor. they could’ve become a debt or wage slave like the rest of us. they chose to be the slave and the traitor to their class

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Anonymous #2 5d

Point entirely missed, the point is that it dosent justify a war on Iran, if anything 20-30 million justifies countless wars against America.

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Anonymous #2 5d

settler down! the US has bombed more than 600 schools in Iran alone. if you love uncle sam, bring him home!

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Anonymous OP 5d

Right so youre saying american civilians dying is fine because the US government has killed millions. “Palestinians are hamas” ass argument. “All jews are zionists” ass argument

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Anonymous _orangutan 5d

OP says we’re all responsible for this btw

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Anonymous #2 5d

Once again, my point wasn’t that “it’s cool American civilians died” but was “American civilians dieing does not justify an imperialist war”

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Anonymous _orangutan 5d

Same energy as someone saying Gazan Down! Nice one fascist

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Anonymous #1 5d

we all fund it, and we all work for it. history is a collective process. Americans have been atomized to the nth degree because of the hyper individualist culture and coping under capitalism. the only real way to halt the US is through general strike

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Anonymous OP 5d

I dont think so either im just saying iran is imperialist

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Anonymous #3 5d

America is the single biggest cause of death war and suffering, so yeah I do.

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Anonymous #1 5d

Yes, we all are responsible

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Anonymous _orangutan 5d

Under OP’s moral framework they have an obligation to commit tax evasion, but I don’t think they’re doing that

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Anonymous OP 5d

Have you filed your taxes?

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Anonymous #1 5d

Jokes on you I don’t pay my taxes 💀

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Anonymous OP 5d

Lol and what exactly have you done against war and suffering, at all? You volunteer, go on missions? Or do you just post on the internet about how much you love seeing people die?

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Anonymous OP 5d

Do you live in a state with sales tax? Drink alcohol? Buy gas?

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Anonymous #3 5d

God you all cannot take a fucking joke Jesus. You are more willing to shed tears for murderers than the people they murder.

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Anonymous OP 5d

No I'm just curious since you're so insistent that you have the moral high ground here

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Anonymous #1 5d

i think you’re missing the point where someone CHOOSES to enlist

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Anonymous #3 5d

Not a high bar when the “moral high ground” is not selling your body to the us government to murder people overseas 💀

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Anonymous _orangutan 5d

You choose to drink alcohol too, no?

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Anonymous #1 5d

no, i haven’t had any for a few months. i buy pot illegally. no taxes

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Anonymous OP 5d

I'm assuming you live in a house or apartment, drive a car, pay sales taxes and property taxes. Why not do anything to offset the amount of money you send to the government for wars?

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Anonymous #1 5d

my ID was expired if you really need to know, dork

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Anonymous _orangutan 5d

I was talking about a hypothetical “you”, not you specifically. If anything I was specifically asking about OP

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Anonymous OP 5d

Is it that you couldn't actually be bothered to represent your own ideals on even the most base level?

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Anonymous _orangutan 5d

I didn’t ask…

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Anonymous #1 5d

Big difference between being forced to participate in society or die, and willingly volunteering to murder civilians overseas buddy 💀

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Anonymous #1 5d

i’m just proving that it’s a choice to drink, much like it’s a choice to join an occupation where your primary task is to kill…

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Anonymous _orangutan 5d

soldiers are meant to kill or be killed. this is why we should all be anti-war, except class war

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Anonymous OP 5d

Do you think theyre born wanting to kill

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Anonymous OP 5d

Last I checked, buying alcohol and using toll roads is not a necessity 😭 keep giving your state revenue to buy Israeli bonds ig

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Anonymous #1 5d

Did I say I do those? And besides, if you agree that’s bad, really bizzare of you to be polishing the cocks of people dropping bombs on children

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Anonymous #1 5d

this is so silly and unproductive, because you’re really only proving that we all fund and work for this, until none of us do. none of y’all have touched the general strike bit, because it requires more than just consumer behavior lol

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Anonymous #1 5d

i’m glad you allegedly don’t pay sales tax ?

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Anonymous #3 5d

I'd opine that funding a war is just as bad as participating in one. So, why have you not killed yourself for your actions against the world?

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Anonymous _orangutan 5d

I don’t. I live in Delaware babes

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Anonymous #1 5d

do y’all boycott? there are people partaking in tax strikes currently. i received a return from the government, no need to let the hold onto excess money to bomb children and send soldiers to die

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Anonymous #3 5d

If you are saying “you should live in the woods if you think it’s so bad” while I say we shouldn’t mourn people who are actively dropping bombs on people, and joined willingly, idk what to say man ur too far gone 💀

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Anonymous OP 5d

you are spiritually rightwing

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Anonymous _orangutan 5d

I’m sorry the “tax strike” just means claiming your refund?

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Anonymous #1 5d

no, moron

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Anonymous #2 5d

“Right wing” because I think child murderers shouldn’t be celebrated as “American hero’s” because they signed a contract to kill enemies of the state overseas lol

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Anonymous #1 5d

completely separate idea, that’s why there was a period

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Anonymous _orangutan 5d

Don’t call me a moron because you explained it poorly. You put those two sentences next to each other

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Anonymous #1 5d

yes, two separate sentences

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Anonymous _orangutan 5d

So people are committing tax evasion as a form of protest? Interesting

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Anonymous OP 5d

You paid for him to be there, and paid for those bombs. Don't try and pretend like you're not just as guilty.

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Anonymous #1 5d

i’m sorry you’re illiterate. this is why i paid my sales taxes. SC schools already have it bad enough. apparently the nice yank schools are awful too

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Anonymous #1 5d

yes, it’s called a tax strike. most are refusing to pay because the consequences for a failure to file are much more severe, but some have chosen that also

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Anonymous #3 5d

do you seriously not see the difference between willingly volunteering to kill for the state and being forced to live under it? Peak of mount stupid 😭 sure we all absolutely bear some responsibility for these horrors, and that’s exactly why we should speak out and oppose it and the Americans who participate in it.

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Anonymous _orangutan 5d

“This is why I paid my sales taxes” oof

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Anonymous OP 5d

You're not any more forced to pay into this system than the airman was to drop those bombs.

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Anonymous OP 5d

Hell, you have a much easier pathway to no longer participate than he does. You don't have to go to military prison, you can just leave the country.

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Anonymous OP 5d

So no, I don't see the difference the way you describe it.

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Anonymous #3 5d

I mean, if you want to pay for me to leave I’m definitely taking donations LMAO 💀 since it’s just so easy to leave. And the difference is, that airman is actively dropping bombs on people!?! Do you seriously not have an issue with that? Is it ok because they got told to do it? I genuinely don’t even understand your perspective here

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Anonymous OP 5d

You won’t go to jail for renouncing your citizenship but people in the military will go to jail for desertion

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Anonymous OP 5d

He's just doing this meme in a different font

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Anonymous #1 5d

Correct, and that’s a consequence of their own actions. I never claimed it was easy for them to quit, but that it is morally necessary to refuse to murder for the state in an unjust war.

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Anonymous OP 5d

I take more issue with you acting like you're any better while funding the war and not taking any accountability. You don't have to live with killing someone, because you're sitting at home comfy giving them money. You also don't have to consider never living again, which is the reality for both the Iranian people and our soldiers, because yet again you are sitting at home comfy giving them money.

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Anonymous #3 5d

they chose to enlist

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Anonymous _orangutan 5d

Sure but OP chooses to pay for them

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Anonymous #3 5d

Except you have projected that entire image onto me, I have repeatedly said we all bear some responsibility for these horrors, however there is a big difference between actively dropping the bombs, and living in a society that steals your money to fund them.

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Anonymous #3 5d

do we choose to pay taxes, or are they compulsory?

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Anonymous #3 5d

there is a difference between involuntary conscription and voluntary conscription. i have no sympathy for voluntary conscripts

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Anonymous _orangutan 5d

Choice. Avoidance and evasion are always options. So is moving out of the country. Even if none of those existed though, OP could just kill themself

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Anonymous #3 5d

Damn! I should kill myself because I have the balls to say murdering children in an unjust war is bad? I think it’s clear how we’ve allowed this to happen 🤷‍♂️

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Anonymous #3 5d

LOL is this is why i think y’all are silly

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Anonymous OP 5d

Think about how many kids around the world your death could save

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Haha! Good one! And yeah to be honest if me dying would in anyway stop Americas pillaging and raping of the global south, I’d do so gladly. I don’t think I can say the same for you though clearly.

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Anonymous OP 5d

You certainly can talk the talk. But will you walk the walk?

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Anonymous #3 5d

If you mean will I really kill myself because a guy got pissed I made fun of his beloved kid-killing soldiers? No, nice try though 😉

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Anonymous #3 5d

will you? join a labor union if you care so damn much. they can’t send soldiers to die if the factories don’t produce bombs or bullets

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Anonymous #3 5d

You know, if you support our troops so damn much, why don’t you join em?

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Anonymous _orangutan 5d

Nah I'd pack meals for the civilians affected though.

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Anonymous OP 5d

I don't really support this war, because I don't think either side deserves to die over it

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Anonymous #3 5d

Ahhhh, so you’re a “pacifist”. Aka the “it’s bad when even the invaders die” kind 💀

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Anonymous OP 5d

Its bad when people die, yeah. Are you just like an anti social loser who seriously doesn't believe that?

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Anonymous #3 5d

I think it’s good when bad people die, and bad when good people die. 🤯 shocker I know, hard concept

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Anonymous #3 5d

I actually it was good when Nazi’s died in WW2 yeah 💀

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Anonymous OP 5d

Take that as a yes because I asked if you seriously believe that its not bad for people to die and you immediately cooked up an excuse to justify death

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Anonymous #3 5d

Excuse? You claimed there was no reason to ever think death can be for the better, and I gave you one. Unless you think it would have been better had those “poor nazis” kept living 😭

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Anonymous OP 5d

I just said it's bad when people die. You don't think so?

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Anonymous #3 5d

Depends on the person. Yeah no I think people who commit atrocities and genocide deserve to die, how is this even a discussion 💀

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Anonymous #3 5d

Also super rich coming from someone who told me to off myself LMAO HAHA

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Anonymous #3 5d

“it’s bad when people die, yeah.”

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Anonymous OP 5d

literally 😭

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Anonymous _orangutan 5d

Both are true OP believes in an extreme nature that it is better for an airman to die than to be able to participate, so I wanted to see if they'd apply that to themselves. I didn't mean to come off in a crude nature

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Anonymous #3 5d

Sure you did bud 🤣. Right wing liberals pretend to be these pacifists but scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds 💀

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Anonymous OP 5d

Just trying to follow your logic, sorry if it upset you

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Anonymous OP 5d

The nation would be better off if people like you would go live in your beloved feminist paradise of Iran. Also, what is this new term "epstein class" going around? Sounds like leftist grift. If you want to invoke that direction, do get informed on Iran's child marriage customs

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