Anonymous #1 3w

lol

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Anonymous #1 3w

Economics is a science because it makes falsifiable predictions and tests them against data. Marxism is built on “inevitabilities”: capitalism will collapse, workers will revolt in rich countries, the state will wither away into communism, etc. None of these claims are falsifiable. If there is no evidence that can change your mind, it’s not science.

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Anonymous OP 3w

have you read Marx? because his interpretation of history is in no way teleological like you’re suggesting

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Anonymous OP 3w

That’s just one philosophy. There’s other ways of thinking besides the ones we grew up with

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Anonymous OP 3w

> economics makes falsifiable predictions The prediction: “if there is no decline the market will go up”

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Anonymous OP 3w

Marx positions that history is contingent upon class struggle, and highlights that capitalism’s own internal contradictions will bring about its collapse, to which they have at numerous points throughout capitalism’s brief history. nowhere does Marx convey that socialism or communism is inevitable out of capitalism’s collapses, and history reaffirms this. it takes a conscious and organized class struggle in order for socialism to develop out of capitalism

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Anonymous _orangutan 3w

Marx laid out a fixed sequence of economic stages, and treated the end point as inevitable. That’s textbook teleology.

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Anonymous OP 3w

Did you read what he said

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Anonymous _orangutan 3w

Even the just claim that capitalism will collapse is unfalsifiable. It clearly hasn’t happened yet.

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Anonymous OP 3w

The earth revolves around the sun. It’s inevitable

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Anonymous OP 3w

It’s happening in real time bruh

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Anonymous #1 3w

Marxists have been saying that for hundreds of years, yet capitalism is still here.

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Anonymous OP 3w

Is it? I don’t see any truly free markets

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Anonymous OP 3w

2008 happened. Who got bailed out? The elites. Looks like socialism to me

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Anonymous OP 3w

Idk what hundreds of years you’re talking about, the communist manifesto was written in like 1849. That aside, are you telling me you can’t see the signs of capitalism’s decay?

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Anonymous landtrust 3w

You can test whether or not the earth revolves around the sun experimentally.

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Anonymous OP 3w

“What the bourgeoisie therefore produces, above all, are its own grave diggers. Its fall and the victory of the proletariat are equally inevitable.” An unfalsifiable claim straight from our boy Karl. This is dogmatic among most Marxists.

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Anonymous OP 3w

“Just as Darwin discovered the law of development of organic nature, so Marx discovered the law of development of human history:

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Anonymous landtrust 3w

Bailing out banks rather than people is not socialism lmao

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Anonymous landtrust 3w

the simple fact, hitherto concealed by an overgrowth of ideology, that mankind must first of all eat, drink, have shelter and clothing, before it can pursue politics, science, art, religion, etc.; that therefore the production of the immediate material means, and consequently the degree of economic development attained by a given people or during a given epoch, form the foundation upon which the state institutions,

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Anonymous landtrust 3w

the legal conceptions, art, and even the ideas on religion, of the people concerned have been evolved, and in the light of which they must, therefore, be explained, instead of vice versa, as had hitherto been the case.”

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Anonymous OP 3w

It’s not dogmatic if you understand the context

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Anonymous landtrust 3w

We can and have tested natural selection experimentally. You cannot do the same with predictions of the future of human society.

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Anonymous OP 3w

Marxism does it. Name a better tool for predicting the future, I can’t

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Anonymous landtrust 3w

The weather app

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Anonymous OP 3w

The weather app doesn’t prove we live under capitalism

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Anonymous #1 3w

I apologize, 176 years. Capitalism is as prevalent as ever.

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Anonymous OP 3w

Yeah we apparently live under capitalism except the government picks the winners and the winners pick the government. Thats real capitalism

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Anonymous landtrust 3w

What would Marx describe our system as?

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Anonymous OP 3w

Socialism

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Anonymous landtrust 3w

No he would not lmao, he would describe it probably as capitalism’s tendency toward monopoly

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Anonymous #1 3w

He would. The mode of production is socialist

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Anonymous landtrust 3w

The means of production are decidedly in private hands

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Anonymous #1 3w

It’s intertwined with the government. Not private. And the workers relationship is social

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Anonymous landtrust 3w

The worker’s relationship is 100% one of coercion, and being entwined with the government i.e. corruption is not incompatible with capitalism

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Anonymous #1 3w

It is. In capitalism the means of production are privately held. Nowadays most of the wealth is held as debt from government backed banks

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