Anonymous #1 18h

No this time OUR government are the bad guys, dun dun dunnnnn

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Anonymous #1 18h

Well yeah it is a meme that’s meant to be hyperbolic

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Anonymous nya_nya 17h

You should try to travel around both Israel and Iran as an openly very horny transfem bottom and see which one treats you better 👍

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Anonymous #4 17h

Iran is actually the world’s only actively pro-trans/anti-gay state, trans women are able to get subsidized gender-affirming care and then get straight-married. The government sees it as a way of turning gay men into straight women. Anyways, I, too take sides in geopolitical conflicts based solely on which country I’d hypothetically prefer to live in. The Dominican Republic should conquer Haiti because the DR has better beaches.

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Anonymous #4 17h

Unless you’re a trans Palestinian

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Anonymous #4 17h

“But what if you were GAY in Gaza?”

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Anonymous OP 16h

Not true, they are very happy for you to live your life fully provided that you leave behind your home and your family and all the land where your people have lived since the Bronze Age. Israel loves trans Palestinians who do not live in Palestine

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Anonymous nya_nya 16h

We definitely weren’t the good guys in the revolutionary war either

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Anonymous #3 16h

Furthermore the reason America supports Israel so fully is because the business interests who own our government are able to benefit economically from Americas current position in the Middle East; they supply the US military and the IDF with munitions, they benefit from the sanctions on Iran (no need to compete with Iranian oil, agriculture, manufacturing, etc), or they have investments in Israel. Otherwise they’re committed to Israel for religious and ideological reasons.

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Anonymous #1 15h

Yes, not similar. 

In 1775 GB was a country, the USA was just land, it was not a country. It’s like you living on another planet. You’d still be an US citizen, you’d still be responsible for taxes for money you made, you’d still be eligible to be drafted, nothing has changed. 2026, both USA is a country and Israel is a country on stolen land. The first is a slave of the latter.

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Anonymous #3 15h

We don’t “control them”. Here is how the pyramid scheme works: 1. Israel buys out our politicians. 2. Politicians put Israel first 3. Politicians and Jewish owned media try to convince you Israel is helping you “Iran is building a nuke and going to take out the USA”, so you don’t protest.

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Anonymous #7 15h

For example, a random XYZ company might do $100k in sales, our politicians are about to award them a $250M contract from your taxes to build arms to send to Israel. The politicians will buy up their stock before announcing the contract. Politicians make bank from their investment, Israel gets free aid, and your taxes are given to another country.

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Anonymous #7 15h

For anybody who’s interested the difference between antizionism and antisemitism is that this guy’s talking about Jew-owned media and I’m talking concretely about, like, how finance capital benefits from war and geopolitical turmoil. I have a theory about American-Israeli relations that also works for talking about Ukraine, or Saudi Arabia, or South Africa during apartheid. It’s not all dependent on ideas about a jew cabal doing Jew stuff

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Anonymous bongo_fury 15h

Are we so woke to the point that forcibly being transitioned from a gay man into a ‘normal’ straight woman is acceptable ?? Wtf? How is that acceptable to you?

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Anonymous bongo_fury 15h

Well hypothetically I’d rather live in a country that would let me openly express my sexual orientation, rather than a country who is so religiously extreme they’d forcibly chop my dick off so I can be a ‘normal’ straight woman that likes men

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Anonymous #4 15h

We already live in a country that, for purely religious reasons, has the norm be slicing and dicing the genitals of newborns lol. Not to say both are equal levels of severity but let’s not act like America is exempt from religious craziness

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Anonymous bongo_fury 15h

Imagine being publicly tortured and executed because someone assumed you’re LGBTQ

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Anonymous #4 15h

Israel has literally propped up Hamas in an attempt to further destabilize the region. This is literally the consequences of ISRAELS actions

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Anonymous OP 15h

?? Circumcision is not religiously required in Christian religions, it’s mostly done for health/ hygiene purposes to prevent infections, guys can barely clean their asscrack and you expect them to clean their foreskin? I do not like parents that say they are doing it for appearance reasons that is weird.

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Anonymous OP 15h

‘Religious craziness’ basic harmless circumcision versus forcefully being transitioned to be a ‘normal’ non-gay human, be so fr bruh 😐

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Anonymous #4 15h

Me when I didn’t read the whole response

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Anonymous OP 15h

Do you think Iran doesn’t prop up Hamas? Who do you think funds Hamas? Hamas isn’t for the people of Palestine either they are selfish and for their own cause, they are terrorists they go after civilians, regardless if they are Israeli or Palestinian

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Anonymous #4 15h

What are these cases of homosexuals being executed in Gaza? I’ve looked into it myself, and I was never able to find any information about it. My assumption that there were homophobic attitudes that were present in society, and people might face hostility, but there wasn’t a law against it that was actively being enforced.

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Anonymous #4 15h

Yeah bro, Iran supporting Hamas just magically erases everything Israel has done to prop them up. Just totally gone

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Anonymous #4 15h

The argument is about whether Palestinians should be killed by Israel and driven off their land. The argument is not about whether or not Iran is a good guy.

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Anonymous OP 15h

Me when I dick ride a religious-extremist, LGBTQ hating, terrorist organization funding nation that wants to destroy the West, and combat it because some Americans are circumcised 😱

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Anonymous #4 15h

Where did I dick ride, can you point to such an instance?

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Anonymous #4 15h

Bro I am not in favor of that

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Anonymous bongo_fury 15h

What are the cases? You can just go there to find out for yourself, travel there wearing a shirt that says everything in your bio 👍

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Anonymous bongo_fury 15h

Well they have to constantly deflect from Israel’s actions because they’re aware that said actions are indefensible. All Zionists know is denying or deflecting

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Anonymous #4 15h

Yeah but if the first country wants to bomb the second country and kill a bunch of children, you preferring country to country 2 as, like, a vacation destination shouldn’t have any bearing on your ideas about the morality of that

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Anonymous bongo_fury 15h

I do believe in a two state solution, civilians should not be harmed and they have a right to self determination. They do not have self determination under Hamas too you know. I fully support anti-terrorism

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Anonymous #4 15h

circumcision is a common practice in America because of John Harvey Kellog, who advocated it for moral reasons. He thought it would stop young boys from masturbating

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Anonymous #4 15h

Anti terrorism is when you airstrike designated safe spaces for civilians

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Anonymous OP 15h

Denying and/ or deflecting the point that Iran funds Hamas, if they didn’t have any funding they wouldn’t have been able to carry out Oct7 and none of those bombs would’ve been dropped on Palestine to eradicate the terrorists

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Anonymous #4 14h

Never denied it. Pointed out it was cheap whataboutism to pivot to Iran rather than address Israel’s support for Hamas

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Anonymous bongo_fury 14h

Wanting a two state solution has always been the least nuanced option, what are the other options? A one state solution where everyone on one side is either eradicated or forcibly moved? Should history repeat itself even more just so you can see a ‘Palestine’ on a map instead of an ‘Israel’ ?

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Anonymous #4 14h

Civilians are constantly being harmed in anti-terrorism and Palestine is being occupied by Israel’s military in order to combat terrorism. How is a sovereign Palestinian state supposed to establish itself while every Palestinian territory is either under Israeli occupation or bombardment?

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Anonymous #4 14h

I have a bio?

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Anonymous #4 14h

Yo what bio

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Anonymous bongo_fury 14h

Hamas is a terrorist organization that doesn’t care about the lives of Palestinians, they only care to further their own agenda, they will use civilians and children as human shields by making their bases next to schools and hospitals to earn sympathy for furthering their terrorist agenda, which it seems like it has worked on you.

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Anonymous #4 14h

Okay but if you want a Palestinian state and you support Israel how is anything that Israel is doing going to lead to there being a Palestinian state

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Anonymous #4 14h

bongo: hey how do you expect Palestinians to establish a sovereign state when they’re under occupation? You: [searches dialog tree for some sort of response]

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Anonymous bongo_fury 14h

#4 fighting shadows 😭

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Anonymous OP 14h

Actually did make me go look for one though

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Anonymous OP 14h

Does establishing a sovereign state mean joining a terrorist organization to kill and kidnap innocent civilians? Because that is what Hamas does. Palestinians are under occupation by Hamas too, if they try to go against anything Hamas orders they are executed

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Anonymous #4 14h

No it means establishing a sovereign state

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Anonymous #4 14h

Has nothing to do with Israel’s occupation, quit deflecting. Bongo asked specifically about the Israelis

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Anonymous bongo_fury 14h

I mixed you up with the other furry e-they/them that was in here

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Anonymous #4 14h

Can you just link the article man it looks like they cite some cases there

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Anonymous OP 14h

Do you think Palestinians can vote out Hamas and hold a vote to become their own nation? No. I bet Israel would love if they could so they wouldn’t have to deal with the terrorist organizations hiding in Palestine, sadly the terrorists do not care for what the Palestinian civilians want. Why do you think Egypt hasn’t let in any Palestinian refugees, they know that the Hamas terrorists will disguise themselves in the crowd as refugees so they can further their terrorist agenda in new lands

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Anonymous #4 14h

Okay narrow that down specifically to how Israel is currently furthering the goal of establishing a Palestinian state

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Anonymous bongo_fury 14h

This was the article from the screenshot: https://www.algemeiner.com/2024/06/14/this-is-how-hamas-treats-gay-people-why-is-the-world-silent/

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Anonymous #4 14h

If Israel would love not having to deal with them then why did they prop up Hamas? Especially when, by your own words, Hamas is preventing a democratic government from being built

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Anonymous bongo_fury 14h

Israel is trying to kill the terrorists that are occupying Gaza and preventing Palestinian citizens from earning their much needed self determination

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Anonymous OP 14h

Are you talking about in the 1970s when Israel helped fund the Palestinian Liberation Organization to help build schools and mosques as charity, which then turned into Hamas after the First Antifada in 1980s under Sheikh Ahmed Yassin? Or in 2018 when Israel transferred millions to Gaza/ Hamas to help pay for civil servant salaries and prevent economic collapse which they then used to fund Hamas’a military instead of paying Palestinian civilians ?

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Anonymous #4 14h

The source for “Hamas kills gay people” is reporting on documents that were literally produced by the IDF. Links to an article in Haaretz, which I do generally consider trustworthy, but I can’t read more because it’s paywalled. Mahmoud Ishtiwi is a senior member of Hamas, so even if the story is completely true it doesn’t support the “Hamas executed queer Palestinians” narrative as well as an example of the same thing happening to a member of the public.

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Anonymous bongo_fury 14h

Killing a gay member of your organization can be damage control, or the result of an internal conflict in the organization, while if the same thing was done to a random member of the public that necessarily would be motivated by homophobia. Especially if there’s a specific offense called “sodomy” or something, that they were publicall convicted of.

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Anonymous #4 14h

Never mentioned anything to deal with the PLO, quit deflecting. You’re such a fucking weasel that you can’t answer anything directly Since we are now going to that topic though, Yassin was directly funded by Israel to overthrow the secular PLO and further destabilize the region. Multiple Israeli officials have admitted to doing so. This continued for almost 20 years, from 1970-89

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Anonymous #4 14h

Why didn’t a Palestinian state form before Hamas came into the picture, and why is there not currently a sovereign Palestinian state in the west bank, where there isn’t a Hamas presence? Is the Israeli military occupation solely to prevent Hamas from entering the West Bank and if so, why does it predate the formation of Hamas?

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Anonymous bongo_fury 14h

Journalists reporting on their closest neighboring country isn’t trustworthy or just because it’s from Israel makes everything in it false? It’s not like there are many independent Gazan news outlets for citizens to report their own stories going against Hamas, that would make them liable for execution. That does suck it’s paywalled too wtf

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Anonymous #4 14h

What’s the point of the illegal settlements? If the point of fighting Hamas is to allow for the formation of a Palestinian state then why doesn’t Israel support the PLO in the West Bank, and help them to form a state there? Ceding the West Bank to a PLO-led state would have the same effect as occupying the territory yourself, because Fatah also hates Hamas.

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Anonymous bongo_fury 14h

You can take that up with the British, they decided the rules of the sand wars and what would become of the British Mandate of Palestine, after the Holocaust they basically just dumped boatloads of Jewish refugees onto the shores near Jerusalem and fucked it up for everyone

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Anonymous #4 14h

It’s not trustworthy because I don’t trust the IDF to give me reliable information. The source in this case is just “we went down into a Hamas tunnel and found these documents there.” I’d need the information to be confirmed by a third party, not just repeated in Haaretz. Like I said I thing Haaretz is a generally good source I just don’t see what they’ve done to confirm the information in this case. Maybe I’d change my mind if I read the rest of the article. Venmo me subscription money

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Anonymous #4 14h

Hey, slippery sam, the question bongo asked you about was also about settlements in the West Bank too

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Anonymous bongo_fury 14h

The last time Israel supported the PLO was right before the First Intifada happened, where some members split off to form Hamas and used Israel’s funds to pay people to go around and stab a lot of Jewish people, if I was Fatah I would also hate Hamas because Hamas uses Palestinians as a human shield and from the actions of Hamas has made Gaza into a war zone and humanitarian crisis

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Anonymous OP 14h

Maybe the three of us can go to the West Bank and hold hands chanting to end the settlements, maybe it would work and we bring world peace, probably Hamas would put me out of my misery for being next to you

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Anonymous #4 14h

Hamas isn’t in the West Bank you fucking dipshit

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Anonymous OP 14h

Well then let’s go

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Anonymous #4 14h

Okay forget the specific suggestion regarding *how* Israel could promote Palestinian statehood in the territory it currently controls, and consider *if* Israel is currently doing anything concrete towards that goal, what if anything Israel could be doing, and why it isn’t doing anything, if indeed it isn’t doing anything.

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Anonymous #4 14h

Ignore when they tried as recently as 2020 to get Qatar to fund Hamas https://www.timesofisrael.com/mossad-chief-top-general-visited-qatar-begged-it-to-pay-hamas-liberman-says/

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Anonymous bongo_fury 14h

Should Israel not do anything and just let their country and citizens get bombed by Hamas? They could probably have some independent protectorate lands that are governed by Palestinians with a joint economic and military policy to help prevent terrorist organizations from destabilizing the region

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Anonymous #4 14h

Again, they’ve undermined attempts at a Palestinian state that is democratic being established. They supported Hamas TO DESTABILIZE the region

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Anonymous OP 14h

The article says that Hamas was sending balloons with explosives into Israel in 2018, and that they tried to pay Hamas with ‘peace money’ as a way to keep Hamas calm and deter future attacks, but Qatar didn’t want to do that anymore. Would you rather have had Israel start the war back in 2018 for the balloon explosives?

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Anonymous #4 14h

So like my Fatah suggestion, Israel should ally with West Bank Palestinians, help to establish a sovereign state on Palestinian territory, and work together with that state against Hamas. Why is it that Israel isn’t doing that, if the point of fighting Hamas is to create a Palestinian state?

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Anonymous bongo_fury 14h

I do agree with that idea yes, do you want me to call Israel and ask them your question? Idk they’re probably too busy now with trying to kill terrorists

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Anonymous #4 14h

Israel was already engaged in war with the Palestinian people because they are OCCUPYING PALESTINE. That is an act of agression

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Anonymous #4 13h

Unfortunately we’re stuck trying to looking at actions to judge intent. You’re saying that Israel has a specific intent and I’m asking you to tell me examples of things that Israel has done which support the idea that it has this larger intent, and you can’t. So I’m mainly just trying to get you to either say, “Israel has no interest in bringing about a two-state solution,” or give me evidence that Israel is trying to bring about a two state solution.

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Anonymous #4 13h

Im gonna default to they’re not trying to have a two-state solution until I’m presented with evidence that they are

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Anonymous bongo_fury 13h

“Give me evidence that Israel is trying to bring about a two state solution” Maybe it’s just me but I doubt there is a state that’s left in the bottom image.

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Anonymous OP 13h

I mean you can bring this back to the British dumping abunch of Holocaust refugees on the beaches, and then the Six Day War when neighboring Islamic countries didn’t want a Jewish country right next to them so they all attacked Israel, and then Israel won and returned the Sinai peninsula for peace relations, and then later they evacuated the Gaza Strip to help bring peace with Hamas in the area, which had started the Second Intifada by using suicide bombers against Israeli citizens

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Anonymous #7 13h

Well yeah the evidence that it’s not is pretty convincing

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Anonymous bongo_fury 13h

Why would Israel give a two state solution when there’s already terrorists in the area? Do you think the terrorists will magically stop being terrorists who want to destroy Israel as soon as a two state solution is resolved?

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Anonymous bongo_fury 13h

They’re not trying to have a two state solution with active terrorists living in it

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Anonymous #4 13h

So Israel does want a two state solution but is doing nothing to achieve that because of terrorists

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Anonymous bongo_fury 13h

Sure okay once all the terrorists are killed we can go there together to help rebuild for the glory of Palestinian self determination

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Anonymous #4 13h

How long has Israel been trying to kill all the terrorists now

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Anonymous bongo_fury 13h

They’re trying to kill the terrorists to help achieve a safe area for future Palestinians to live in, doing nothing would mean the terrorists win their agenda of destroying Israel and all its citizens

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Anonymous bongo_fury 13h

You could google it

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Anonymous #4 13h

It’s a rhetorical question, i’d like you to tell me

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Anonymous bongo_fury 13h

Aren’t rhetorical questions not answered?

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Anonymous #4 13h

A rhetorical question is a question where the answer is part of a larger argument, so they depend on the answer being generally agreed upon if it’s unspoken, or at least being stated openly before one moves on to the meat of the argument.

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Anonymous #4 13h

However, there are multiple acceptable answers to the question, I’m realizing. If Israel has been fighting terrorism for its entire existence (or indeed since before it was established, considering the mandatory period) so the fight against terrorism has been constant. Therefore it never will end, therefore “Israel will allow a Palestinian state after it has defeated terrorism” = “Israel will never allow a Palestinian state because there will always be terrorism.”

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Anonymous #4 13h

Terrorists they’ve supported both directly and indirectly btw

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Anonymous #4 13h

OR you could say Israel has been fight terrorism since the end of the six-day war and the start of its occupation of the West Bank, in which case it’s circular reasoning, because you’re saying Israel occupies the West Bank to fight terrorism while in reality the terrorist organizations formed in response to the occupation of the West Bank.

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Anonymous bongo_fury 13h

So, logically, as long Israel occupies the west bank there will be terrorist activity opposing its occupation of the West Bank, and Israel will maintain its military presence in the West Bank as long as it believes there’s any terrorism at all. It’s an infinite cycle, the two feed in to one another.

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Anonymous #4 13h

Also I’ve decided you’re annoying enough and clearly not acting in good faith enough to the extent if you try another bad faith pivot I’m just blocking you bc I’m tired of my notifications blowing up. So choose your words wisely

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Anonymous OP 12h

I’m not the one calling you a weasel or slippery for defending nationwide deemed terrorist organizations, and talk about ‘good faith’ when you brought up casual circumcision when talking about religious extremists forcefully transitioning gay men into ‘straight women’. The history is very nuanced it’s not black and white, and yes sure you can block me but being a sensitive snowflake in yikyak comments isn’t going to help the Palestinians get their own state I hope you know that

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Anonymous OP 12h

There’s a way to turn off your notifications for this post too, that should help

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Anonymous #4 11h

Damn i thought I had scared you away :( Also still didn’t read the entire comment I said about circumcision because you’re missing some massive context I said about that example. And you screaming about how this history is extremely nuanced is hilarious when you are still saying I am defending terrorist organizations. Don’t sit here and gaslight people, they can read back and see that I haven’t defended any terrorist organization. What manipulative behavior

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Anonymous #4 9h

“Very horny transfem bottom” okay bro 😭😭😭 what in the 4trans ass post is this

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Anonymous #8 9h

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Anonymous #8 7h

Idk ask the nya nya cat

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