Anonymous #1 10w

reality? and i dont mean policy wise, i mean including the social things. like id consider myself (policy wise) to be extreme left. but i cannot rationally agree with everything that extreme left believes because ik the world is more nuanced for that

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rome? their politics included group orgies

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the men would all kiss eachother and then dance naked worshiping their version of the sun god

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Anonymous OP 10w

I still don’t know why I should accept that holding correct political positions necessitates that I *must* hold some positions that are associated with my political opposition. That seems arbitrary.

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Anonymous #1 10w

minor positions yes. ig you dont have to practice the points or make them of ur upmost concern, but i mean you shouldnt completely disreguard everything cause it didnt come from ur party

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but wait i actually want to have this conversation. i think its so interesting how much rome has influenced the united states today. how much do u know abt it?

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Anonymous OP 10w

I agree that political dogmatism is bad, but what if it is the case that my political opposition just so happens to have the wrong position on every single issue? It seems like you’re ruling that possibility out right from the jump.

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Anonymous #1 10w

well what is ur political opposition?

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Anonymous OP 10w

*my* political opposition is irrelevant. You seem to be making an absolute claim, which suggests that *in all cases* I must side with my opposition on some minor issues.

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Anonymous #1 10w

well yeah. because there are points on the left that should make sense to even an extreme rightist. and points on the right that should make sense to an extreme leftist

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Anonymous #1 10w

for example, in 2020 i was a strong believer that wearing a mask in hopes to avoid getting an elderly or at risk person sick, was not a big deal at all. but i also can reason with the opposition in that the idea of a government forcing us to wear or do smth, shouldnt go completely unchallenged

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Anonymous #1 10w

why are you downvoting me? this is a civil conversation

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Anonymous OP 10w

Dawg, you’re missing the point. You’d have to established that it is *logically* impossible for a political faction to be wrong on every single issue for your point to be true. That’s the problem that I’m having.

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Anonymous #1 10w

no, im saying that currently, there is not one political party that is entirely right and implementable. so rn if someone is unwilling to hear out any points from the other side, they shouldnt call themselves objective

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Anonymous OP 10w

Now you’re modifying your claim, though. I think what you’re saying now is more reasonable.

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the roman catholic empire is soo interesting to me. do u have any fun facts to share? maybe on how its influenced our society today?

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Anonymous #1 10w

i figured it was a given that im talking about the past/present and not some perfect future where a political party is entirely correct

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Anonymous #1 10w

i think having an open mind is the most important thing. to not be a hive mind for ur political party. to recognize injustice and plausibility when mentally attacking complicated issues like this

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Anonymous OP 10w

You’re original claim, you’re talking about *agreement*, though, as opposed to just *openness*. I don’t think the difference between those words is trivial.

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Anonymous #1 10w

i do think there should be at least one minor thing u agree with on the other side, not specifically a policy they enact but a talking point or social issue they speak on

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oh absolutely. the hold israel has on us should be a bipartisan issue for sure

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Would you consider Japan or South Korea or China liberal societies? Developed countries aren’t reproducing because it’s too expensive to have kids because of how late stage capitalism is. People want to have kids and can’t afford it. Conservatism’s solution is to force them to have kids that they can’t afford.

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Japanese are making plenty of money but have no time outside work. Similar in South Korea which is basically a corporate dictatorship. And yes they are forcing, that’s why they want to ban abortion, birth control and sex ed. They want more babies by any means necessary. Your central banking point makes no sense until you went and admitted that you’re a neo nazi.

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republicans literally oppose comprehensive sex ed and contraception as a whole. they have for decades. that’s why red states have insane teen pregnancy rates, because their sex ed is basically “don’t have sex or you’re a whore and going to hell”

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