Anonymous #8 9w

Yes, let’s make a league for all 3 trans fencers…

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Anonymous #8 9w

I got my ass kicked by people with testosterone and by people with estrogen in fencing. It doesn’t matter.

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Anonymous #9 9w

Maybe you just need to get good, kid

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Anonymous #4 9w

So if I get good I can immediately beat all the estrogen folks, but the testosterone folks are 50/50? How’s any of that deal with intelligence, experience, skill, or wit?

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Anonymous #4 9w

As we all know, Unlike women, men are stab-proof. Idiotic take.

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Anonymous #9 9w

If you were at the professional level you’d probably have an easier time beating wen than men, not that you’d ever get there :)

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Anonymous #4 9w

You’ve clearly never been in a fight in your life.

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 9w

Ok

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Anonymous #4 9w

Fencing is about intelligence, not brawn. Next you’ll tell me it’s unfair for trans people to compete in chess.

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 9w

Genuinely, if a woman wants to fuck you up armed or unarmed that estrogen aint stopping her. In fact I’d rather fight a man than a woman. Men’ll kick the shit out of you, women will disable you for life.

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Anonymous #9 9w

Why are women afraid to walk home at night if they’re are stronger than men?

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Anonymous #4 9w

because a scary percent of men have power related fetishes and like to prey on women because of it. not just by raping them, but by purposefully making them uncomfortable because seeing her uncomfortable at their hands makes them feel powerful and fuels the kink. but also, they didnt say women are stronger than men, they said they are more willing to go crazy in a casual fight. which we are. ive been trained to actually maim the balls of the first strange man to lay a finger on me in public

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Anonymous OP 9w

I carry bear mace and have considered making my own. It’s fucked that I have to, but it’s needed.

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Anonymous #9 9w

i always have something sharp or heavy on me in case i need to threaten someone to stay back, but if i was in a hand to hand fight idc about surviving anymore i want to take a chunk of that man with me. an eyeball, testicle, skin graft, whatever it has to be. us girls do not play when it comes to self defense, i could never punch someone (cause i HATE violence) but once im in danger and that switch is flipped. i will become what i need to become

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Anonymous OP 9w

I feel you, like I’m nonbinary but if I look masc or fem it’s still scary as hell to walk alone at night. Like yeah I don’t want to hurt someone, but I’d rather impact that asshole for the rest of his life than ever get a scratch on me. Plus, take out their lungs, eyes, or genitals and they’ll be much less of a threat to everyone else too.

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Anonymous #4 9w

You’re proving me right with every message. Nowhere was it said that women were stronger than men.

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Anonymous #9 9w

It’s really impressive to see people this out of touch with reality. The average man would beat the ever loving shit out of the average woman. I’m not saying this to be mean in any way but in literally every possible measure men beat women physically.

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Anonymous #2 9w

But this isn’t about muscle or physical strength.

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Anonymous #9 9w

Its fencing

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Anonymous #9 9w

Yeah, I was responding to the comment where you said you’d rather fight a man than a woman. Also men have broader shoulders and longer reach than women which would give an advantage in fencing, plus additional muscle mass would influence lunge and parry speed, plus males have a higher percentage of fast twitch muscle fibers

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Anonymous #2 9w

they clearly explained why theyd rather fight a man than woman. are you illiterate or?

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Anonymous #2 9w

Yes because obviously men are stab proof while women aren’t. Fencing is famously a unisex sport, buddy.

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Anonymous OP 9w

‘Because women will disable you for life’? That’s not even an augment. Men could, and do, and do it much easier than a woman could.

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Anonymous #2 9w

You’ve also clearly never been in a fight.

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 9w

Not saying men and women don’t compete against each other at low levels for fun, just saying men are generally much better - which is why it gets separated as you get to higher levels.

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 9w

Lmao alright, show me any evidence that an average woman is stronger, faster, or better at fighting than an average man. It doesn’t exist.

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Anonymous #2 9w

Literally not the argument we’re making, are you reading the thread?

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Anonymous #2 9w

youre genuinely crazy bro 😭😭i cant believe ur a real person

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 9w

It’s actually crazy how yall can’t put 2 and 2 together. Never in the history of mankind have women ever been thought of as being better at fighting than men.

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Anonymous #2 9w

its actually crazy that time and time again you cannot understand what we’re actually saying

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Anonymous #2 9w

i’m done holding your hand through it tho. figure it out urself ur a big strong man apparently

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Anonymous #2 9w

I’m looking for the height of stupidity and you’re outside my range. Congrats.

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Anonymous #2 9w

I’m saying women have to think about how to fight, and they’re going to be more likely to be trained and know what to do to cause permanent damage to someone. Men tend to just throw their fists at me, but every woman I know has something that if it ain’t lethal, it’s going to be painful as hell.

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Anonymous #9 9w

Sure buddy, you keep believing that if it helps you sleep at night.

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Anonymous #2 9w

nah cause the way u refuse to understand what were saying makes me think youre getting ur rocks off to this conversation…. you need help

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Anonymous OP 9w

Literally any research at all will disprove that ‘women are more likely to know how to fight’ it’s like 2 to 1 on a good day

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Anonymous #2 9w

youve gotta be rage baiting atp. no way you cant read

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Anonymous #2 9w

we’re not talking about knowing how to fight like knowing how to punch and block. we mean we’re more likely to cary self defense weapons, have acrylic nails we’ve been trained to use to pop an eye out its socket, and how to punch someone in the balls then nose to disable them and that we have no reservations about killing or permanently disfiguring someone trying to hurt us.

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Anonymous OP 9w

Yeah a couple of scratches don’t matter to someone who can beat the shit out of you with one hand tied behind their back. If you think acrylic nails are going to help you in a fight you are sorely mistaken. And quite frankly most men who are in a position to fight don’t give a fuck if they fuck you up - but most of the time they don’t have to because there is that much of a difference in strength they can subdue you without permanently damaging you?

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Anonymous #2 9w

okay yeah you have a control kink. goodbye freak

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Anonymous OP 9w

Where are you getting any of your info from other than just making it up? There’s literally no evidence to support anything you’re saying.

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Anonymous #2 9w

Bro thinks every man is built like Jason Statham 💀💀💀

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Anonymous #2 9w

Pepper spray ownership according to “Civilian pepper spray for self defense: Understanding user perception and impact of design on user performance” by Strybel et al:

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 9w

Average woman upper body strength is 50-60% of the average man. The average woman would be fighting someone 2x as strong as her. It’s not even close. It’s insane how detached from reality you are.

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Anonymous #2 9w

Can you do me a favor? Look up how heavy your average sword is.

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 9w

I’ll give you a hypothetical. If there is a man who can curl 300 pounds and a woman who can only curl 20 pounds, but the dumbbell they are curling weighs only 15 pounds - who will be able to curl that more and who will be able to curl that faster?

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 9w

he’s too weird bro, not even worth talking to

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Anonymous #2 9w

dear god youre so fucking dense. noone has ever said women are stronger than men. youre talking to yourself

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Anonymous OP 9w

Ahh reality scares me ahh don’t talk to him ahh

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Anonymous OP 9w

Sorry, he entertains me.

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Anonymous OP 9w

Ok so extrapolate that thought and relate it to fencing. Since woman are weaker and smaller than men, which I think we can both agree on. Who is more likely to win in a sword fight that relies on speed and is heavily influenced by body size?

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Anonymous #2 9w

I’m a man btw. A man who speaks from a lot of experience.

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Anonymous #2 9w

fencing isnt about strength you dumb fuck. how many times do we have to explain this to you

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Anonymous #2 9w

The man is a bigger target by that logic, mate. My money’s on the woman.

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Anonymous #2 9w

the sword is 3 pounds. women are capable of wielding 3 pounds just easily much as a man can

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 9w

GREAT point

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 9w

Ohhhh so because you’ve gotten your shit rocked by a girl they’re suddenly equal in athletic ability to a man. Got it. Great argument. Flawless data actually.

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Anonymous OP 9w

Back when I was on a fencing team, our team captain was a small woman, at least a half foot shorter than me. Never beat her. Not once.

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Anonymous OP 9w

Refer to the hypothetical

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Anonymous #2 9w

your hypothetical proves our point. women are smaller and therefore faster when moving their arms than men. less weight to move

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Anonymous #2 9w

Your hypothetical pits someone with the strength of two world record holders against the average woman dumbass.

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 9w

And at what level was this at? Lower? Cause I’m not saying there isn’t overlap. But at higher and middle levels the difference becomes extremely important. I was a D1 swimmer who was ‘middle of the pack’, and my girlfriend almost made the Olympics - there wasn’t a single event I couldn’t beat the hell out of her in, which she wholeheartedly agrees with.

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 9w

My god you’re doing the meme

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Anonymous #2 9w

“My girlfriend’s better at swimming than me, but I can still kick her ass.” Me when I bring up a completely unrelated anecdote to support my nonexistent point.

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Anonymous #2 9w

I pity your girlfriend, I can’t imagine dating someone half as dense and deaf as you. STRENGTH DOESN’T MATTER IF YOU GET PEPPER SPRAYED AND KICKED IN THE BALL, MORON.

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 9w

My girlfriend was better than me at swimming for being a girl. She could not beat me in a single event. I am emphasizing the difference in athletic performance between men and women. That is completely relevant and it’s impressive you can’t connect those dots without me explaining it to you.

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Anonymous #2 9w

We. Were. Discussing. Combat. Sports. Not. Cardio.

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 9w

Lmao yeah sure. Keep believing that.

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 9w

It’s the same for combat sports.

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Anonymous #2 9w

“Lmao yeah sure. Keep believing that.” -someone who’s out of arguments

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Anonymous #2 9w

In fact the difference in longer distance cardio is actually less than in combat/strength sports

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Anonymous #2 9w

You only ever speak in hypotheticals. “If they” “most” “on average” You’ve never been in a fight.

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Anonymous #2 9w

okay we have gotten SO off topic. let me remind tou what this argument has actually been about, not including the one made up in ur head. male vs female ability in a long sword fight and the fact that u wouldnt want to fight a woman because she will be actively trying to disfigure you, not win the fight. bring it back to these two topics or move on. everything else has been misconstrued by you alone

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Anonymous OP 9w

Yeah still would rather fight the weaker, slower person.

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Anonymous #2 9w

-someone who’s about to be maced

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 9w

Ah yes the classic mace attack in fencing.. should’ve thought of that

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Anonymous #2 9w

again. two arguments were being had here one about fencing/long sword and one about a fight/attack in the streets

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Anonymous #2 9w

Have you ever fenced? Fencing a man and fencing a woman, specifically. It feels the same.

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Anonymous OP 9w

Yeah my bad

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Anonymous #2 9w

we are not saying the woman will win the fight in the streets. ireallylikepancakes originally said theyd rather fight the man, because the woman will mace, bite, and maim them (fight to their death)… while the guy will just punch. you have no more excuses for confusing this further. ask questions if you must but im laying it out pretty clear

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Anonymous OP 9w

As if a man won’t defend himself to the fullest extent if being attacked 😂 yall are dumb as rocks

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Anonymous #2 9w

Bro doesn’t understand that men aren’t invincible and have the full 60% strength advantage doesn’t make them immune to stabbing 🤣

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 9w

ur getting the arguments confused again

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Anonymous OP 9w

Damn I thought we were still on fencing

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Anonymous #2 9w

You’re really good at tangling the streamlined argument to pump out nonsense, I’ll give you that. You’d do great as a corrupt politician.

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 9w

You’re right! They’re just faster at it and have a longer reach… which ya know, would win them the match…

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Anonymous #2 9w

ok so we’re back to long sword in long sword there is no such thing as reach advantage. the sword is long. speed also is as unimportant and nearly the exact same. this sport is about skill, blocking and knowing when to strike

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Anonymous #2 9w

By your own words, the woman is the smaller target. Easier to protect more of your body considering both have the same sword size.

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 9w

ik he’s staring at his phone stressing about how to keep the streamlining going rn

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Anonymous OP 9w

Math bro.. you got a 50 inch long sword, who can reach further - a man with a 160 inch wingspan or a woman with a 140 inch wingspan? Also lunge speed for a man is ~15% faster than for a woman and reaction time is ~10% faster on average, with that difference increasing at higher levels

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Anonymous #2 9w

it doesnt matter if they can reach a couple inches further before having to lunge a little. we are talking about if there is an advantage to a trans women competing i. long sword against a cis woman, correct?

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Anonymous #2 9w

1. Can I get a source besides “Math bro” 2. Doesn’t change my argument. A woman is shorter (in your hypothetical, not always irl). Let’s say that a full longsword block covers 60% of the male body and 70% of the female body…

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Anonymous #2 9w

would you make a 6 foot cis woman compete with men?

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Anonymous OP 9w

Yes, where those advantages still exist. And that would mean that they have to lunge a shorter distance so it does absolutely matter.

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Anonymous #2 9w

so you would make a 6 foot+ woman compete in the mens category?

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Anonymous #2 9w

Pop quiz, who do you think this person should compete against, men or women?

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 9w

Are y’all really this bored and unemployed?????????

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Anonymous #8 9w

I don’t work a night shift

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 9w

Men bc testosterone injections give an unfair advantage to him. The issue is the women’s division - not the men’s. Nobody cares if transgender people play in the men’s division.

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Anonymous OP 9w

No because a 6 foot woman won’t have the muscle mass to make use of the longer wingspan, which would still be proportional to a woman’s. Plus she’s all natural so that’s where she should be.

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Anonymous #2 9w

Alright, so you’re a hypocrite.

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 9w

Not really, you’re just illiterate

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Anonymous #2 9w

lmao yes they will. a taller woman has a longer wingspan than a shorter woman. and will have more muscle fibers within that wingspan

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Anonymous #2 9w

so you believe that trans women (male to female) should just give up on sports or open themselves up to sexual abuse by joining the mens league?

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Anonymous #2 9w

no please, say it with your full chest

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Anonymous #2 9w

dont run away scared now

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Anonymous OP 9w

What an asshole

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 9w

And I don’t use that phrase lightly in social media debates.

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 9w

Applause for using the world asshole 👏

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Anonymous #4 9w

Oh hey, you’re still here. Gonna be real, forgot about you completely.

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 9w

Yeah I kinda stopped caring. Honestly I don’t really care about the person in the post, because from what I can tell it’s not a professional league. But I think at college and professional level Trans women probably shouldn’t be allowed, but I do think it suck for the trans athletes and it’s not really their fault, and I don’t know where they should compete

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Anonymous OP 8w

Lmao you think I ran away?? Shit got taken down and I’d say it again if I wouldn’t get banned.

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Anonymous #2 8w

do it

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