Anonymous #1 14w

It is, my grandma came here from Korea and has to go through all these steps and jump over hoops to be here, it’s like a slap in the face for her and us that anyone can come in and get free housing and money. My grandma didn’t get any of that when she first came to America.

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Anonymous OP 14w

This argument boils down to a position of "just because our treatment of immigrants was shitty it should continue to remain shitty" instead of acknowledging that we have made improvements in our social safety nets 🤦‍♂️

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Anonymous #4 14w

Criminal immigrants*

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Anonymous #1 14w

Criminal immigrants and yet they are all getting arrested while working

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Anonymous OP 14w

i wonder how you can have that personal anecdote and then go the complete opposite direction with your solution

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Anonymous #4 14w

“I see your point about improving safety nets, but I’m not saying we should treat immigrants badly. My argument is that it feels unfair for people who work hard to come here legally, like my grandma, to see others skip the line and get benefits. It’s not about wanting things to stay ‘shitty,’ but about making sure the system is fair and rewards people who follow the rules.

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Anonymous OP 14w

yes what your grandma went through is unfair. my mom went through it too. however who controls how difficult the immigration process is? other immigrants or the government?

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Anonymous OP 14w

the other thing is, the system is not fair and it doesn’t reward people who follow the rules. we’re literally seeing that firsthand rn. people going through legal means are being detained and sent to prisons. that’s the fair way? like that could literally have been your grandma

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Anonymous #3 14w

You’re right, the government sets the rules. But that’s the point: if the system is so strict for some people but is easy to bypass for others, it ends up being unfair and creates resentment. We should be pushing for reforms that make legal immigration easier and more fair for everyone, not ignoring the people who played by the rules.

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Anonymous #3 14w

Exactly, the system isn’t fair, it punishes people who try to come legally and creates resentment when others skip the line. That’s why we need real reform: to make legal immigration faster, fairer, and more humane so people like my grandma, your mom, and new immigrants aren’t stuck in an impossible system.

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Anonymous OP 14w

thats idealist thinking. obviously thats the solution, but its never going to happen. if getting in the country legally could be so easy then people wouldn’t come here illegally and i personally dont think they should be sent to foreign detention camps for something that’s obviously the governments fault. you picking up what im putting down?

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Anonymous OP 14w

do you genuinely believe the road we’re going down now is going to lead to reform?

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Anonymous #3 14w

Yeah, I get what you’re saying. I agree that it’s not fair to punish people harshly when the system itself is so messed up. I guess my main point is just that we can’t completely ignore the frustration from people who did it the ‘right way’, like my grandma. At the same time, you’re right: the bigger issue is the system itself and how broken it is.

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Anonymous OP 14w

that frustration is misguided is my point. my mom felt the same way but at the end of the day that’s just one victim of a shit system blaming another. that lets the actual perpetrators pin them against each other so no real change can ever happen. this concept applies to more than just immigration btw

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Anonymous #4 14w

Having a job makes you not a criminal? When was this law passed.

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