Iâm not OOP but I have a question. Youâre arguing that drug crimes shouldnât be a thing right? That makes sense to a degree to me. Like you get caught repeatedly with illicit substances you go to jail but for why. But should drug dealers be in jail? It seems less like a victimless crime to me. If youâre supplying mass amounts of drugs to people, essentially youâre responsible for the deaths of a lot of these people that OD or ruin their lives/families
I agree. But why is the line fent? Other drugs like H kill more people than fent overall. Obviously like sometimes drugs are unknowingly laced and thatâs despicable should be like several layers of crime. But if someone knowingly buys fent bc there are ppl into that especially ppl with a high H tolerance, is it different? Just food for thought maybe idk. Shits complex
maybe this is a hot take (my mind could be changed on it tho) but i feel like dealers who donât lace their products and are truly honest about the potential effects and potency of whatever they sell, though maybe morally iffy, shouldnât be facing massive legal liability. with full consent from the (adult) buyer, knowing what they are purchasing, i donât know if responsibility still falls upon the dealer. i think at least itâs a gray area for me, not inherently right and not inherently wrong.
Good point. But think of this, if a doctor prescribes you Xanax itâs on the doctor right? Theyâre the one supplying you the rx. Theyâve deemed it appropriate for you to have access to. But STILL pharmacists have to look for people who might be abusing substances they legally are able to buy. Thereâs still a degree of liability to even just the point of sale person. If you know a person has rapidly declined in health personality after youâve supplied them with like meth or something, then what
thatâs totally fair. i guess the way i see it is that a lot of times, people arenât interested in being helped, and will seek out substances elsewhere if their longtime dealer has, say, noticed decline in health and refuses to sell to them anymore. as it is, illicit drugs arenât able to be regulated and made âsafeâ (or as safe as possible) for consumption. we canât regulate their strength, purity, or storage/safety procedures, bc theyâre not supposed to exist at all.
by legalizing them, or even taking steps to decriminalize, we can make laws about how to make them safer for the people who, at the end of the day, will be seeking out substances, whether theyâre banned or not. as wonderful as it would be to magically disappear all of the harmful substances, itâs just not possible. people still make it, because people still seek it out, yk
Then harm reduction would be most moral right? Regulating it like alcohol or medical cannabis would regulate strength purity and such and make it so that less people die from sketchy drugs. It would also reduce the amount of people that turn to drug dealing illegally to get by in lower income areas. Less people in prison overall.
absolutely ! i see that as a great option. obviously iâm all for punishing people who actively lace their shit with harmful substances because proper consent canât be obtained from the user. but creating an environment where people can use drugs safely is much more important to me than making our society a drug-free one. obviously harder drugs wouldnât become as mainstream, i donât see a market as big as say, weed, for H or fent.
but âdealersâ, whatever scale they are on, should be held to higher standards in terms of the safety and purity of their products, and what happens from there imo is not very much my business. people are going to use drugs how they want to, as much as it sometimes sucks, and there should be appropriate social supports. but i mean shit i wouldnât blame the liquor store if i drank myself to đ
I donât really see a better alternative. Your other options are arresting them or just letting them keep their substances. Oregon had decriminalized possession of everything but the outcome of that was kids having to walk through needle filled streets in order to get to school. In recent years they actually reversed that decision because they saw that it was only enabling the situation. Maybe you can take a step beyond and forward them to treatment as well as confiscating