Anonymous blue__wave 11w

i’m not shocked at all i’m just asking why we didn’t do a more progressive campaign since it’s more popular

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Anonymous _orangutan 11w

and not even really, is mamdani going to touch the police budget? we’ve gotten a guarantee he will not defund our colonial police

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Anonymous OP 11w

New York isn’t the United States we don’t know if it’s more popular. It’s not shocking that a large urban area is more progressive.

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Anonymous _orangutan 11w

ya he said he was gonna rearrange the nypd to fund other social programs, but he forgets they’re only trained to protect institutions

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Anonymous _orangutan 11w

What is imperialism again?

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Anonymous blue__wave 11w

seems to be popular whenever we’ve made it an option, obama was progressive for his time

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Anonymous blue__wave 11w

the capitalist exploitation of intentionally underdeveloped nations outside of the colonial metropole

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Anonymous OP 11w

Well we do kinda know thanks to polling and it’s not really some policies like raising the federal minimum wage are popular but Kamala campaigned on that. I think she followed polling pretty well.

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Anonymous blue__wave 11w

fascism is when that imperial violence turns inwards. i hope this helps !

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Anonymous OP 11w

So was Kamala and Biden I don’t think electoral popular is as simple as progressive= good. We also give Bernie a chance in the primary and he lost the popular vote in 2016

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Anonymous blue__wave 11w

what popular vote ?

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Anonymous _orangutan 11w

Wow you actually gave a definition are Chinese mines in the Drc imperialism?

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Anonymous _orangutan 11w

The popular vote for the democratic primary:

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Anonymous blue__wave 11w

China is a social imperialist project, it just so happens to be a better actor in the international community than the US, a rogue fascist state that will bomb any state that does not toe the line, and whose politicians will laugh as they help rebels sodomize former leaders to death. like wtf are you on ?

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because a popular vote is not when you have representatives or delegates vote for you… are you an idiot ?

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Anonymous _orangutan 11w

Lmao I like the szhioness in that reply. But at least that’s more internally consistent than you’ve been in the past so I’ll take it.

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Anonymous _orangutan 11w

and many of those were superdelegate votes, people who were not bound to represent their constituents and instead could vote for the candidate of their choosing

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Anonymous _orangutan 11w

Ok this takes a first grad reading comp do you see where it says popular vote? That shows the total amount of people who voted for a candidate that’s what I’m referring to dip shit.

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Anonymous _orangutan 11w

He still would have lost without superdelegates from my understanding.

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Anonymous blue__wave 11w

progressive policies are popular with a majority of Americans. Kamala ran on “nothing will change”, it’s no wonder she fucked it up.

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Anonymous blue__wave 11w

Hmmm I wonder if the DNC spent a ton of money and resources to influence that result…

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Anonymous blue__wave 11w

also, the irony

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Anonymous _orangutan 11w

doesn’t that sound an awfully lot like this?

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Anonymous #6 11w

What’s an example of this?

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Anonymous _orangutan 11w

Yes my point obviously me saying I agree with all US foreign policy epic own

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Anonymous #5 11w

No she didn’t you just didn’t read her platform if you genuinely believe that. How about you read about her platform instead of projecting your own political takes onto it.

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Anonymous #5 11w

Nope they raised about the same amount the cope is crazy

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Anonymous #5 11w

Also I don’t know why we’re pretending like elector success can just be attributed to money. Well I know we have to find a way to cope over this.

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Anonymous blue__wave 11w

She literally said on national TV “nothing will fundamentally change”. She abandoned all the progressive policies she ran on in the 2020 primary. She fully abandoned transgender Americans. She refused to say anything about Gaza. She refused to talk about workers rights or universal healthcare etc. Instead she spent billions on celebrity endorsements and on hanging out with the universally hated Cheyneys. She tried to appeal to nonexistent moderate republicans and so lost.

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Anonymous _orangutan 11w

Yeah but I don’t buy into your stupid overly broad definitions if I did that would have been a contradiction good job.

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Anonymous #5 11w

What was the context her saying that? again her platform was progressive you can cherry pick a quote but I’m actually focused on the substance of her platform.

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Anonymous blue__wave 11w

Look at how Bernie Sanders did in the 2016 and 2020 primaries in red areas compared to how the Dem nominee did there.

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Anonymous blue__wave 11w

her platform was completely without substance… again she spent all her time courting republicans instead of democrats. accept it dude, she was a shit candidate and ran an awful campaign. even Hillary Clinton had better odds.

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Anonymous #2 11w

Most of the country wants programs such as universal healthcare and worker protections

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Anonymous #5 11w

No use arguing with them they’ll never change their mind

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Anonymous #5 11w

15$ fed minimum wage is progressive, price controls are progressive, tax credits for families is progressive. Like I said you just don’t know the platform if you genuinely believe that. What a weird coincidence that Kamala just to support all the things you do for her to win. Go back to cherry picking quotes.

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Anonymous #1 11w

I’ll change my mind but the cope so obviously and I can demonstrate why it’s cope.

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Anonymous blue__wave 11w

both of those are moderate at best. $15/hr isn’t a livable wage, and the tax credits are only temporary and disproportionately benefit higher income families. it’s fairly progressive compared to trump but not in the grand scheme of things.

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Anonymous blue__wave 11w

So Kamala doing the bare minimum (or less in many cases) means she’s progressive? I thought progressive was bad

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Anonymous #1 11w

When I say progressive I’m not speaking to your subjective view of what being progressive is. Is it impossible to view this without projecting our own person politics? It’s fine if you wish she was more progressive but this idea that she just needed to support everything you support to win is obviously cope.

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Anonymous OP 11w

Moderate compared to who lol? You? They were temporary she was trying to make them permanent from my memory. It doesn’t matter it would help reduce child poverty. I know you feel like it isn’t enough but we’re not talking about your feels we’re talking about the country.

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Anonymous #1 11w

Even I wanted Kamala to be more progressive in other ways but I can separate my own personal ideology to say that’s not what the evidence shows as to why she lost.

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Anonymous #5 11w

Yes in primaries usually more ideologically radical people vote in primaries that doesn’t show anything.

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Anonymous #5 11w

Do you actually have an example of progressive winning a purple state?

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Anonymous blue__wave 11w

moderate in compared to alternative, more progressive policies. most progressives describe her policies as “cautious”, tax credits and minimum wage hikes are simply preserving the same status quo that’s causing the problem. that’s why it’s moderate. progressive would be to advocate for a universal basic income (an actual living wage) and universal benefits that decommodify essential services, as well as a redistribution of wealth.

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Anonymous blue__wave 11w

moderate looks progressive in comparison to a far-right, conservative agenda like trump’s that not only eliminate those moderate policies but use his new policies to be weaponized against the ppl. kamala applies progressive language to moderate, corporate friendly reforms to make it seem like she’s being bold. the example of a strong left alternative to compare her policies to would be zohran, if you need a reference.

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Anonymous blue__wave 11w

that is literally what the evidence says as far as why she lost. millions of democratic voters didn’t vote. trump didn’t gain millions of votes, Kamala lost millions of biden voters, which can reasonably be ascribed to her alienation of men in particular, the democratic base in general, and her general lack of an inspiring or sincere message. she talks like every word was chosen based on focus groups, no passion on sincerity.

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Anonymous #5 11w

I think closer to the truth #5 but that’s not the same thing as her not being progressive enough.

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Anonymous OP 11w

Progressive is progressive relative to current American policy I’m not comparing her to Trump. I know but you still haven’t demonstrated that her being more progressive would’ve helped. I know we’re all obsessed with zohran but a progressive winning in one of the most progressive areas of the country again isn’t shocking. This esp makes sense when the incumbent Cuomo had impressively low popularity New York was set for a big change.

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Anonymous #5 11w

I think why she lost is pretty clear everyone associated her with the Biden admin many people had worse finances during the Biden admin, I think that was most of it. Economy was the biggest issue in 2024 and Biden didn't have great approval. That’s what the evidence points to imo.

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Anonymous blue__wave 11w

you’ve yet to explain how being more progressive wouldn’t have helped. using bernie as an example doesn’t count considering the DNC didn’t endorse him in the primaries, they literally had a whole scandal about that in 2016 which is why slashed the number of superdelegates and they couldn’t vote on the first ballot. you described a failure of the system, not a failure of progressivism as a platform. not to mention the overton window has shifted dramatically on the left and moderates since then

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Anonymous OP 11w

Idk how I’m supposed to prove a negative the burden is on you guys. I don’t think it hurts to be progressive in every case I just don’t buy into the narrative if Kamala was my version of progressive she would have won.

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Anonymous blue__wave 11w

again, millions of biden voters stayed home. based on the geographic distribution this strongly relates to her ardent support of Israel and more generally to clinging to Biden’s unpopular legacy. she refused to differentiate herself from him despite his incredibly low approval.

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Anonymous #5 11w

Yeah I know the question is why they stayed home. I think there was some evidence of Gaza impacting her. Idk how the vice president is supposed to detach herself from the administration she’s part of that would’ve been super impressive.

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Anonymous blue__wave 11w

by fucking saying something? even though the biden admin was effectively over, she refused to say anything that contradicted Joe’s views. like sorry but running on a $15 min wage (a goal from 10 years ago atp) and stuff like that is not progressive. neoliberal democrats want to raise the minimum wage just slow enough that it actually stays the same. the federal minimum wage would literally be 36 dollars if it matched inflation.

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Anonymous #5 11w

So true all she had to do to win was completely do a 180 contradict herself and politically kill anything Joe Biden could’ve done in his last days of office and she should’ve done all of that without retrospect. Not progressive by your perspective stop inserting your perspective we’re not talking your perspective we’re talking about the average voters perspective.

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Anonymous #5 11w

We keep doing this back and forth where I say there’s not a lot of evidence showing that her being more progressive would’ve helped her. Then you guys act like I’m disagreeing with progress policies I’m not obviously.

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Anonymous blue__wave 11w

shifting to the right and coincidentally losing millions of votes is pretty solid evidence…

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Anonymous blue__wave 11w

considering Joe did essentially nothing in the last months of her term yeah? not like they could pass legislation anyway

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Anonymous #5 11w

That got a Gaza ceasefire that Trump blew up

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Anonymous #5 11w

How did they shift to the right?

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Anonymous blue__wave 11w

yes because they refused to cut israel off. they couldn’t have kept bombing if Joe didn’t keep sending them bombs.

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Anonymous blue__wave 11w

by trying to cozy up with fucking dick cheney? by basically ceding the trans issue to republicans? by running as “tough on the border”?

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Anonymous #5 11w

You asked what did Joe do that’s what he did that’s the entire point.

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Anonymous #5 11w

Cheney gave one endorsement how did they cede the trans issue? Bc Americans support having a border do we really believe the Republican thing that dems are pro open borders?

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Anonymous blue__wave 11w

She preferred to campaign with Cheney (daughter, and supporter, of the man who orchestrated the humanitarian disaster & war crimes that were rhe Iraqi war- and the lie it was built upon) she should have denied the endorsement or at the very least not paraded it around. The Cheneys are not popular among the American public on any side of the isle. The constant war in the Middle East is a very big factor in why conditions here at home soured so badly.

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Anonymous #1 11w

You can dislike the optics of it my point is it didn’t show some actual material policy shift to the right. Her saying look some conservative politician endorsed me isn’t remarkable.

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Anonymous blue__wave 11w

It is when she’s being endorsed by war criminals and bragging about it. I’m curious do you have an opinion on the Iraq war?

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Anonymous #1 11w

No it’s not lol accepting an endorsement from a once mainstream politician isn’t that crazy. I’m super brave so I’ll say Iraq bad. Again this is the weakest shit ever that’s why you guys have to obsess over it rather than some material policy shift.

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Anonymous blue__wave 11w

acceptive an endorsement from a universally hated war criminal, while refusing to refusing to denounce ongoing war crimes that you are funding is pretty crazy

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Anonymous blue__wave 11w

It’s not weak, her support from the Cheneys (one of them orchestrator of the Iraqi war and coverup & subsequent war crimes) is a big deal. It shows that she supports the same foregin policy as her predecessors (both parties)- that neocon interventionist policy is the exact reason why domestic issues have spiraled so much. Not to mention the Iraqi war specifically was disastrous for Americans and we committed war crimes for gods sake.

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Anonymous #5 11w

💯

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Anonymous #1 11w

Accepting an endorsement doesn’t mean you approve of every piece of policy that person approves of. I get we’re progressives and he’s bad I agree but she didn’t do it for us we just have to leave the echo chamber for 5 seconds to understand this. It’s extremely weak if we’re saying it signals actual policy why not just look her policy or Biden’s actions.

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Anonymous #5 11w

Again for the second or third time you can think it’s crazy or not like the optics but it’s not a real indication of policy shift.

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