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Are you proud to be American?
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Anonymous 3w

I’m proud of our ideals and people in our best moments, as well as the potential we have. That doesn’t mean supporting the government or being some nationalist fool. Patriotism is good.

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Anonymous 3w

genuine question, what do we have to be proud of that no other country does?

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Anonymous 2w

Fuck no

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Anonymous 2w

Probably the third or fourth worst country in world history when you connect the dots about the consequences of climate change and who is most responsible for that, along with a ridiculous level pf gun violence for a developed country. The world is going to change and millions are going to die as a direct result of our decades long refusal to,join the rest of the world in committing to, action on climate change.

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Anonymous 3w

I like how anyone can be American. If a person from Slovakia moves to China, he may live there but he won’t be Chinese. But someone from Vietnam, Korea, Russia, Greece, peru, anywhere, can come to America and be American.

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Anonymous 2w

It’s simple. Yes.

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Anonymous replying to -> benjamin.rush 3w

Gotcha

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Anonymous replying to -> benjamin.rush 3w

Based

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Anonymous replying to -> #3 3w

We have the 2nd oldest constitution in the world. Thats not a coincidence, its because our constitution has been *relatively* effective at curtailing government violations of natural rights and allowing prosperity to flourish. While its farrrr from perfect we have the highest median income, some of the lowest poverty, and even after taking into account the recent authoritarian actions, the strongest free speech protections on the planet.

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Anonymous replying to -> #3 3w

There are great things we share with other countries in snippets, especially with other anglophone countries, but not in totality. We have actual freedom of speech, we have the second amendment to take our security into our own hands, we have had some of the greatest innovations and innovators in the history of the world right here, including right now. Basically the constitution is excellent. Anyone can be American, we don’t have centuries of weird blood feuds or ethnic limitations on what

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 3w

and what are “natural rights”?

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Anonymous replying to -> #3 3w

Constitutes true membership in the nation. Our culture is rather decisively pragmatic and goals oriented, with said goals being achieved time and time again. Overall, we prioritize hard work and fairness with rule of law. There is an attempt (often failed, but with perseverance) to try for some kind of meritocratic norms. Opportunity is abundant for those willing to seize it. We are not nearly as obsessed with optics of class as some other cultures. Everything is very dynamic comparatively

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Anonymous replying to -> benjamin.rush 3w

goal oriented or profit oriented?

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Anonymous replying to -> #3 3w
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Anonymous replying to -> #3 3w

Profit is one of those goals, sure. We have more community service volunteering focused work than any other place I’ve traveled personally. But pretty much all goals across the board, we tend to be a lot more praxis oriented than other cultures I’ve engaged with

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 3w

i would argue that preventing government interference in religion, and someones even with speech, can do more harm than good. take jonestown for example. everyone knew children were being indoctrinated and married off to older cult members (in states where that’s legal with a parents signature) but the gov couldnt step in until there was proof of a crime being broken cause that’d be interfering with “religious beliefs”

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 3w

and for free speech, id cite the case in Skokie Illinois. in the mid 1970s a bunch of nazi wanna be’s decided to walk the streets of a town primarily made up of actual holocaust survivors, in authentic nazi uniforms, just to terrorize them. they did this over and over until it finally went to court, but the court couldn’t tell them to stop cause that’d infringe on their freedom of speech and right to assembly

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Anonymous replying to -> benjamin.rush 3w

but those community service initiatives are almost always created by the people not the government, the good (actually non profit) ones anyway. and i think the need for the people to start those projects (especially in such a profit-oriented environment) exemplifies a failing on the government’s part

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Anonymous replying to -> #3 3w

The solution to child marriage is to outlaw child marriage, not to infringe on due process or freedom of belief.

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Anonymous replying to -> #3 3w

And then jewish lawyers defended their right to free speech because the legal right of free speech is critical to maintaining freedom from tyranny.

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 3w

and what if the cult convinces the parents to make their children do some other harmful thing. you cant regulate all of it. freedom of religion should be the freedom to believe what you personally want. not to abuse this rule to invoke harmful beliefs in order to obtain power

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Anonymous replying to -> #3 3w

Freedom of religion does not extend to the freedom to violate the rights of others. This is very well established in American law. A parent cannot deny a child a life saving blood transfusion on the basis of religion for example.

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 3w

“free speech” is misleading. you have freedom of opinion, not speech. if you called a government official and said the words (speech) “i want to kill you” or something, you will be investigated. or if you say “im going to kill you” you can be arrested. your speech is not actually protected

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 3w

suppose someone was insanely charming and was able to convince most of the country to believe whatever they wanted. this person can become tyrannical in and of themselves, and if they can control the populous without breaking any other laws, they will have taken over the country legally now, if this was happening, do you think the gov would see this person as a threat and “take care” of them somehow?

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Anonymous replying to -> #3 3w

You’re basically asking whether or not I believe in democracy. Tyranny of the majority is far better than the alternative you’re suggesting: tyranny of the minority. The good news is that the American government is far more complex than a simple democracy and designed to create gridlock. It is extremely difficult for one person to enact sweeping changes. Thats part of the reason our constitution has survived longer than every other country’s other than Monaco.

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Anonymous replying to -> #3 3w

Yeah I don’t tether my pride in being American to the government—our government sucks—it’s sucked for longer than I’ve been alive

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 3w

is this in reference to my most recent comment about the “super charming” person? cause i wasn’t suggesting that that person would be political (and be democratically elected) but rather more cult/religious

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 3w

can you tho? our citizenship process is complicated and plenty of americans believe immigrants arent american

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Anonymous replying to -> #3 3w

There is some of that but we still have massive populations of ethnicities from all over the world that we do accept as Americans

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 3w

The ones people have an issue with are the ones that don’t assimilate into our American culture

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 3w

what is “american culture”

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Anonymous replying to -> #3 3w

Learn our language, follow our laws, and respect our public institutions

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 3w

am i correct in assuming you dislike citizens who’s first language isnt english as well?

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Anonymous replying to -> #3 3w

You would not be correct

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 3w

so how is it “our language” if even citizens sometimes don’t speak it? not to mention we “stole” the language from england

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Anonymous replying to -> #8 2w

Name the countries that are worse

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 2w

i dont think u read their whole comment

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Anonymous replying to -> #3 2w

Incorrect

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 2w

so you want to know what the top 3 worst polluting countries are?

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Anonymous replying to -> #3 2w

I can look that up on my own. I want to see if #8 would seriously try to claim that North Korea, Congo, Venezuela, South Sudan or Yemen are better countries than the US.

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 2w

ah.. so you didnt read (or at least didnt understand) their comment…. they clearly cited what reasons they believe make us amongst the worst (climate change and gun violence).

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