Anonymous #1 8w

If I could be a quarter of a person Fidel was, I will have lived a meaningful life

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Anonymous #3 8w

no

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Anonymous #2 8w

not true

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Anonymous #2 8w

most principled conservative voter

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Anonymous #4 8w

Out of curiosity do you have any proof? I’ve seen conflicting povs

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Anonymous #3 8w

not like on hand but i’ve never seen any credible evidence that he was a brutal dictator, as far as i can remember the only thing you might be referencing was some discrimination that he didn’t know about and apologized and took responsibility for. 99% of the capitalist propaganda about castro are entirely revisionist history spread by the capitalist cubans that want their slaves back.

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Anonymous #4 8w

Bad things ab Castro: The persecution of LGBTQ people in the 60s and 70s The persecution of religions post 1961 The jailing of dissidents including Herberto Padilla The centralisation of authority where opposition parties are banned The significant limits both in freedom of assembly as well as freedom of the press

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Anonymous #3 8w

No 3, people just feared him and escaped his unfair standards of living for no reason

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Anonymous #7 8w

So was there anything bad about the regime he established? Not asking how it’s better than the previous one (which was bad) but were there any problems with Cuba under Castro?

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Anonymous #3 8w

Well it was a communist state, mass political repression, political executions and imprisonment, it was one party with mass surveillance and secret police. Persecution of groups who were gay, religious or political dissidents, all while given no opportunity to leave Cuba, but he looks cool on a poster so Americans just go crazy over him for whatever reason

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Anonymous #4 8w

How would you respond to #7’s claims below?

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Anonymous #3 8w

He overthrew Batista who was literally just killing and torturing people. The people Castro killed deserved it

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Anonymous #7 8w

What was life like under Bautista?

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Anonymous OP 8w

What do you think regarding their claims of political oppression, mass surveillance, and the persecution of homosexuals and religious groups while restricting the right to roam?

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Anonymous OP 8w

#7 was responding to my question asking about the flaws in Castro’s government. They never claimed that his rule was better or worse than what came before. Furthermore, simply because something is “better” or “worse” than the previous iteration doesn’t justify the flaws of the current system.

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Anonymous OP 8w

It was around the same but with organized crime ties and he worked along side with the US, still extremely bad and stilled heavily policed and corrupt. Neither authoritarian was good to their people

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Anonymous #7 8w

*still heavily policed and corrupt

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Anonymous #3 8w

I agree with you 3, it’s like looking at Kim jong Il and Kim jong un and debating whether one is better. They both genuinely are equally terrible and corrupt so one is not simply better than the other

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Anonymous #7 8w

Yessir. Unfortunately there are people like OP who are so dissatisfied with our current system that they view any other as a valid alternative without considering the downsides.

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Anonymous #3 8w

Just because you’re slobbing on each others knobs doesn’t make my question to him wrong. When he says Fidel Castro did all of these horrible things he’s negating the part of who he was doing them to. He’s not just killing random people in the street. That’s like me saying “Allied powers were bad because they killed soldiers after WWII” like buddy they were Nazi’s doing war crimes.

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Anonymous OP 8w

What do you think regarding their claims of political violence, mass surveillance, and the persecution of homosexuals and religious groups while restricting their right to roam?

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Anonymous #3 8w

Political Oppression = Based, as the people he was oppressing were bad. Mass Surveillance = valid, as it was a way to not go back to how they were living previously. It’s like America punishing loyalists to GB. Persecution of homosexuals = guy grew up in pre-revolutionary Cuba where gay people are evil propaganda flourished. He even apologized for what he did because he even recognizes that it was bad.

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Anonymous OP 8w

That’s like you hating Muslims because you grew up playing call of duty and watched racist television and then realized actually Muslim people are dope. Like should I still call you islamaphobic? Lastly, fuck religion. It’s a farce to control the global poor. It’s so they won’t seek revolution because sky daddy will put you in the bad place that may or may not exist

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Anonymous #3 8w

That’s so funny restrict right to roam, literally Cubans have been able to leave Cuba since 1965. It was a 6 year period in which he is trying to cement the communist ideology in his country

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Anonymous OP 8w

Since this is a pretty long one I’ll give you my opinions in a few different comments: 1: I don’t see political oppression in any form as valid. People should be allowed to think freely and express themselves politically, not only as an extension of their inherent ability of expression but to help strengthen the system through constructive critique. Justifying suppression because those suppressed are “bad” is also horrible logic as “badness” is completely subjective.

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Anonymous OP 8w

2: While surveillance is needed for security, mass surveillance is a gross intrusion of privacy as it calls for surveillance of everyone, even innocents. People have their own lives, and it is not the governments job to police every detail. Even if preventing the return of the previous regime was a valid goal, that doesn’t establish mass surveillance was justified. Your analogy regarding the American revolution is also weak. Just because something happened before does not mean that it is OK.

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Anonymous OP 8w

3: Castro did apologize for the persecution of homosexuals in 2010 and acknowledged his role in it. Furthermore, Cuba has adopted progressive laws on that front. However, pre-revolutionary social hostilities only explain where the prejudice comes from. They do not justify it. Nor does Castro’s apology excuse his treatment of the homosexual community in the 70s. Regardless, the steps the government has taken to improve should be acknowledged.

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Anonymous OP 8w

4: If that were the case and I persecuted Muslims due to those beliefs, then during that time I was absolutely Islamophobic. Just because I change my mind later does not (and should not) excuse my earlier actions, and I should still experience the consequences of my actions.

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Anonymous OP 8w

4: While you may not appreciate religion, it is still a big part of life for billions. It is a key part of their identity and community. Governments should not have the power to suppress what people believe because it disagrees with them. Imagine the roles were reversed and the government forced you to be Christian even though you don’t believe in God. That’s not fair, nor is it fair the other way around. You don’t have to respect religion, but people should be free to believe and practice it.

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Anonymous OP 8w

Yet the right was restricted regardless. Like I said regarding his treatment of the gay community, later actions do not justify earlier ones. Furthermore, if a government has to keep its citizens from leaving to preserve its political system, it raises the question of how much genuine support that system had. If the new government was so great, it shouldn’t need to physically prevent its people from leaving to survive.

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Anonymous #3 7w

It’s hard to kill bad people when they are running

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Anonymous OP 7w

Alright mr rage bait you had me going for a bit but I see you now 😉

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Anonymous #3 7w

OP took the L long ago

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