makes it more interesting that israel was given hundreds of billions more with the most advanced weapons in the world and still can’t destroy the “beacon of capitalist greed” who use molotov cocktails, stolen israeli equipment, and makeshift rockets. no, they’re fighting against the monster that is israel who uses genocide as a military strategy.

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Maybe if Israel didn't snipe kids in the head, bomb refugee camps, blow people's limbs off, and block humanitarian aid causing mass starvation then people wouldn't be radicalized and join a terrorist organization

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Anonymous #1 7w

Then why does Hamas continue their war against Israel and hide underneath the civilians they were elected to protect and serve? The death of Gazan civilians only benefits Hamas

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Anonymous #2 7w

Hamas is all dead dude its just civilians starving to death now + you get no bitches

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Anonymous #4 7w

You should follow what’s going on with ceasefire negotiations with Hamas. I can send you some good sources if you want to learn more about what’s currently going on :)

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Anonymous #2 7w

the death of Palestinian in Gaza doesn’t benefit israel at all? such an interesting claim given that they carpet bombed the entirety of the strip and are now deliberately starving the entire population. your rhetoric falls short there buddy, they’re not hiding underneath civilians. they’re attacking israeli terrorist forces and israel is losing. they just can’t take the heat so they torture everyone instead.

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Anonymous #1 7w

So you think Hamas is helping innocent Gazans?

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Anonymous #2 7w

well i certainly don’t think israel is helping innocent PALESTINIANS and you’d have to be braindead to think otherwise at this point.

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Anonymous #1 7w

I never said or implied that at all. But do you think Hamas is helping innocent Palestinians by fighting Israeli forces and civilians at the kibbutzim?

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Anonymous #2 7w

believe it or not israel has FULL CONTROL over their own actions. they can control when to bomb or shoot at civilians, they control where civilians are located, and now they can control what civilians consume. hamas can’t control what israel does to terrorize Palestinians in Gaza. what they can do is retaliate with what they have.

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Anonymous #2 7w

did you think israel was helping innocent Palestinians by keeping them in an open concentration camp for 18 years? did you think israel was helping innocent Palestinians by allowing illegal settlers in the West Bank to steal their land and kill civilians? please enlighten me when israel has ever helped Palestinians at all it’s astonishing

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Anonymous #1 7w

Hamas 100% has control and it’s super telling when we start treating Arabs like Children. Hamas controls if they use uniforms or not, Hamas controls where their tunnels are located, Hamas controls when they do a terrorist attack on another country, Hamas controls how many rockets they fire into Israel. I agree Israel has autonomy for their actions so does Hamas. The selective acknowledgment of this is gross.

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Anonymous #1 7w

Why are you unable to answer the simple question? Hamas broke a ceasefire on 10/7 by attacking not just military, but gang raping, mutilating, torturing, kidnapping, and burning alive hundreds of innocent civilians in Kibbutzes who dedicated their lives to helping Gazans. They did this for their own financial benefit, fully knowing what would ensue. Their spokespeople said this openly, and that they would repeat it again and again. Can you still not answer the question?

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

lmfaooo when did i say hamas doesn’t have control over their own actions? like no shit hamas has control, otherwise we wouldn’t be where we are today in Gaza. the difference is they take full responsibility for their actions, good and bad. i’m talking about what israel controls.

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

No one's arguing Hamas aren't terrorists that hold hostages and use human shields but that doesn't mean Israel can kill civilians with impunity and enact collective punishment

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Anonymous #3 7w

I agree but #1 literally said “Hamas can’t what control Israel does… what they can do is retaliate with what they have” I disagree with the justification of terrorism here.

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Anonymous #2 7w

What about all the ceasefires Israel has broken and their terror attacks on civilians?

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

Who's justifying terrorism?

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Anonymous #1 7w

You said it here: "Hamas can't what control Israel does... what they can do is retaliate with what they have". They don’t take take full responsibility wdym? If Hamas did they would have given up their leadership that was responsible for Oct 7th.

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Anonymous #2 7w

i gave my answer already dipshot, you just don’t like it. you don’t seem to understand why hamas would attack anyone in the first place. lemme make it simpler for you: hamas doesn’t act to protect civilians, and neither does the idf. hamas is fighting to resecure control and dominance over Gaza, which israel has consistently threatened to take over the past 18 years. this genocide is their most blatant and gruesome attempt for destroying the Palestinian people and stealing more of their land.

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Are you stupid?

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Anonymous #2 7w

They just ended negotiations- the USA and Israel want genocide

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

you’re upset with me saying that hamas is allowed to retaliate against israel’s attacks on them? this is literally basic war rhetoric, two parties can attack and retaliate against each other, no matter how you classify them.

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

they take full responsibility for october 7th and don’t regret their actions. they don’t have to give up their leadership responsible, that’s not smart given they want to continue fighting. besides israel already knows their leadership and has long before the attack. if they share it publicly it could foil their plans. it sounds to me you need to educate yourself on how military conflicts work…

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Anonymous #1 7w

They can that doesn’t mean they should. We can spend all day conflating justifications and explanations. What Hamas should have done is handed over their leadership is that realistic ofc not but that would be the morally correct thing.

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

why would they hand over their leadership that’s dumb af and not how this works. you’re acting like everything started on october 7th even though you should’ve known that israel launched its bloodiest attacks on Palestinians in both Gaza and the West Bank in 2023 even before the attack. october 7th was a retaliation, you know damn well it didn’t exist in a vacuum.

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

the morally correct thing to do, actually, is to not fight at all and actually negotiate. israel made a promise with the oslo accords and not only failed to deliver, but basically said fuck you imma do my own thing to the PLO and the Palestinian ppl.

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Anonymous #1 7w

Not defending Israel’s actions at all, but Israel actually gave up control of the Gaza Strip 18 years ago in hopes for peace. The Gaza civil war destroyed most of the infrastructure there and Hamas was elected to govern without there ever being elections afterwards. Israel was not occupying Gaza before Hamas’s attack on Israel.

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

It would have been moral for Israel to handover theit leadership first tbh

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Anonymous #1 7w

Yeah I agree both sides hold responsibility that’s why I’m against the selective assigning of autonomy.

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Anonymous #2 7w

israel actually didn’t give up control over Gaza. they have had control over land, air, and sea of the strip for 18 years. the concentration camp that is the Gaza strip is surrounded and monitored by IOF personnel. they are the only ones that have control of what enters and exits the strip, besides the tunnels everyone is so focused on. israel controls the airspace and sea above there as well. you should read up on this actually it’s been copiously documented by most news outlets

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

anyways, israel continued to steal more and more Palestinian land and made Gaza into a concentration camp, killing thousands in the process. and if you don’t think Palestinians attempted to negotiate peacefully with israel after oslo again, you’re wrong. this has been a long, long time coming. to fundamentally misunderstand how years of torture and violent disrespect can create such a despicable situation is to misunderstand humanity itself.

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Anonymous #1 7w

Yeah dipshit that’s why I said it’s not realistic again stop conflating a justification with an explanation. and Israeli actions don’t exist in a vacuum either if we prescribe to Israel what it should do I’m fine with that as long as we also do that with Hamas.

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

Hamas exists because of Israel. So yes it makes sense to pin this on Israel as the origin of the conflict

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Anonymous #2 7w

Israel is the one ruining the ceasefire. Hamas wants a permanent ceasefire which Israel is claiming is a unreasonable demand.

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

so why aren’t you prescribing israel with what is should do? bc all i’m seeing in this comment section is “hamas did this, hamas should’ve done this”. what should israel have done?

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Anonymous #1 7w

I’m talking about what Hamas wants I don’t gaf if they want to keep fighting they shouldn’t keep fighting that’s my point. No I don’t need to educate myself you’re just too restarted to know the difference between a justification and explanation and you just conflate the two when it’s convenient for you.

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

Dude just say you’re pro genocide & keep it moving

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Anonymous #1 7w

I’m not*

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Anonymous #2 7w

Hamas and the IDF are both terrorists and are committing genocide

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Anonymous #2 7w

Crazy how Hamas broke the ceasefire in n 10/7 despite 2023 prior to 10/7 being named the deadliest year for Palestinian children doesn’t sound like much of a ceasefire unless ceasefire to you means Israel can kill unlimited Palestinians but if there’s any retaliation then the ceasefire is broken

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

well i’m talking about israel so you can stop having this conversation with me bc im not here to tell you how to feel about hamas, just that you understand why it exists. you don’t like my explanations bc it feels “too sympathetic”. i can’t please you unless i put hamas and israel on the same playing field, which i will never do. hamas exists bc of israel’s actions, period. sorry not sorry.

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

Why shouldn’t they keep fighting? Their homes are being invaded, their land stolen, their women raped, their men slaughtered, their children kidnapped, their elderly gunned down as they seek food. Hamas has every right to defend their people and their land

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Anonymous drums_of_liberation 7w

So true I said Arabs shouldn’t be treated like Children I must be pro genocide. Every “pro pali” person is such a coward you guys can’t handle the simplest criticism without hiding behind dead Palestinians it’s so gross and weird. Imagine if I just spammed anti antisemitism every time you guys criticized Israel.

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Anonymous #8 7w

Let’s examine why Hamas is they way they are and no they are not committing genocide

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

sounds like you hate Arabs actually.

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Anonymous #1 7w

I do prescribe shit to Israel lmao. Yes bc you guys are justifying morally shitty actions. If I was in a comment section full of pro idf people I would be prescribing shit to Israel.

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

“Pali” is a slur. You’re a racist, and an unreliable historian. You’ll never get the truth from a bigot like you.

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I think you’re replying to the wrong person because that’s what I was saying

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Anonymous drums_of_liberation 7w

Yeah I agree Israel did ruin the ceasefire. Do you see how I’m willing to concede whatever but you guys will never do that on the “pro pali” side.

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

Just say you like kids being blown up my guy. This is why people consider democrats the same as republicans on foregin policy. You call for a blue wave and then in the same breath you say it’s okay to shoot children bc of soemthing adults did. SMH

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

stop saying “pro pali” and say their full name.

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

Israel started this conflict 75 years ago and has continued it everyday since. There is no justification. Stop trying.

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Anonymous #6 7w

Yeah we can also pin the origin of the conflict on the British but that isn’t very helpful at this point is it? You guys can forever cope about this but once again Hamas as autonomy over their actions.

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

“Pro pali”? Yikes tell us how you really feel about Palestinians. Also what’s there for me to concede? You & I both agree that Israel is the one ruining the peace talks you act like you deserve an award for that but that’s just the truth. Israel is committing a genocide & I think genocide is back so what do you want me to concede to?

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Anonymous #1 7w

That’s cool you can schizo out about claims I’ve never made about Oslo. I haven’t even talked about Oslo lmao. Not humanity itself 😱😱

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

ya because we’re sane people that actually care about when someone commits a genocide on Palestinians, unlike you.

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Anonymous #6 7w

Wdym is terrorist attacked your people that is 100% a justification for conflict.

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

now i know why you called yourself blue wave the way you’re crashing out rn

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Anonymous #1 7w

Lmao the virtue signaling over saying pro pali again you guys so scared with the most mild criticism you guys immediately go to virtue signaling about dead Children it’s so weird .

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

The IDF are the terrorist & they attacked long before Hamas even existed so you’re describing the Palestinian side you don’t agree with

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

Actually yes. Colonialism still has deep impacts on the world and if you can’t se that then you are further right than I thought. Hamas has autonomy I never claimed they didn’t but their actions have to be viewed in context. Israel has been commuting atrocities on Palestinians for almost 100 years. It would be insane if they didn’t fight back.

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Anonymous #6 7w

I don’t like kids being blown up. You guys know this but that’s what happens when you guys get the smallest criticism it’s turns into hiding behind dead kids bc you guys can’t defend your own ideas. I never said I’d support every Israeli action the straw Manning is insane.

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

you support every israeli action as long as its justified as “fighting hamas” but it sounds like you’re not ready for the convo

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

No you just like seeing them gunned down while they try to get food. The state of Israel is a terrorist state engaging in genocide, ethnic cleansing, and the violation of international law. The US and tbh most of the western world is complicit, if not an active participant, in these actions. The government of Israel must be hes accountable just as the Nazis were.

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Anonymous #6 7w

I never said colonialism doesn’t have deep impacts on the world. This rest of this discussion is just going to be you inventing my positions isn’t it? My point is just bc past actors did I think that doesn’t completely take away the autonomy of current actors. Yeah again I’ve already talked about this I agree with your guys explanation I don’t agree with every justification you guys have given.

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

You said what are we gonna blame the British. Your comment was written and worded so that you were covering for Britain and colonialism. Read your writing.

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Anonymous drums_of_liberation 7w

There’s been violence between Jews and Arabs going back to the Ottoman Empire we can play this game where we go back to the first man and blame him for I/P but I rather have a convo about the current actors in the conflict.

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

Dude really said “every time I try to side with Israel & criticize the pro Palestine movement you guys just like to point out the fact that Israel is committing a genocide against the Palestinians instead of engaging with my defense of Israel” 😬

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

Jfc are you serious? You can not compare historical violence to a honest to god modern genocide and ethnic cleansing.

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Anonymous #1 7w

I haven’t hidden behind dead kids once in this convo. I can see why they call you #1 bc you’re the first person to bring up dead kids when you can’t defend your ideas.

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Anonymous drums_of_liberation 7w

Dunce moment Ngl

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

I mean you’re wrong but if you want to talk about the current conflict Israel is doing a genocide against the Palestinians & genocide is bad idk should be kinda simple

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

“Bring up dead kids” jfc that’s what this whole thing is about. Israel is murdering and kidnapping children. I’m not even exaggerating

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Anonymous #6 7w

What does that even mean lmao I can’t compare historical violence to genocide? Genocide has been a part of historical violence what does that even mean?

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

Yes we know you haven’t because you’re defending the side sniping kids in the head you’re on the side of killing children

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Anonymous drums_of_liberation 7w

Idk why you had quotation marks that’s not what I said. I just think it’s funny whenever you guys are in a corner you immediately go to dead childeren instead of just engaging in the convo.

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Anonymous #6 7w

No I can clarifying this and you can keep using this straw man I’ll make it super simple for you, Hamas is responsible for Hamas actions the British are responsible for British actions.

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Anonymous #6 7w

I agree Israel should be accountable I never said they shouldn’t in fact I’ve said the opposite but ok.

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

No you’re comparing conventional violence to an extreme case aka genocide.

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Anonymous #8 7w

Glad we can agree

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

My bad you’re right when discussing Israel’s current actions which are a genocide I have a bad habit of focusing too much on the genocide. I need to focus on why the Palestinians are in the wrong for resisting Israel’s genocide & why Israel feels the need to do a genocide against the Palestinians sounds like you would prefer that from us

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

There should not need to be any other justification than “Israel is killing children and that needs to stop right now.” If you think there needs to be then you need to reevaluate yourself and your morals.

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Anonymous #1 7w

I’m ready for the convo. But this entire convo is going to be you guys trying to straw man my position and I’ll keep clarifying what I mean then maybe we’ll get to an actual point somewhere. No I don’t support every Israeli action in the war like I’ve already said.

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

Hamas exists because of Israeli actions which exist bc of British actions. All I’m saying is that there’s a direct connection. If you can’t see it then you’re blind and arrogant and it’s honestly sad.

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Anonymous #1 7w

If they wanted Gaza then why would they have pulled out? Doesn’t make any sense

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

Your fucking position is “both sides are bad” mf only one side is committing genocide and it’s not Hamas.

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Anonymous #6 7w

Have you not read the Hamas charter? They definitely are genocidal

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Anonymous #6 7w

Hamas definitely ain’t helping nobody

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Anonymous #6 7w

Saying the Palestinian people are bad in this conflict is just propaganda from the idf. But saying Hamas is and imo shouldn’t be a hot take most Palestinians didn’t even have a say in this government. Whilst that of the idf would make the SS blush at certain times with how inhumane they are in their war.

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Anonymous #9 7w

The victims here is that of October 7th citizens but even then it kinda pales in comparison to the Israeli prolonged war and just genocide of Gaza.

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Anonymous #9 7w

Damn we love a sane take ^^

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Anonymous #9 7w

It’s like justifying the invasion of Iraq bc 9/11 happened.

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Anonymous #2 7w

Yes we all know about their 80’s charter which has changed from their current one

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Anonymous drums_of_liberation 7w

Yeah where they just replaced their genocidal intentions towards “Jews” to “Zionists” to have a slight but of plausible deniability. So progressive of them!

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Anonymous #2 7w

I mean if that’s what you believe f critical analysis am I right. Either way one side is currently doing a genocide which is Israel & we should all be against the side doing a genocide which for some crazy reason people can’t seem to agree on although I guess I shouldn’t be too surprised considering that there where people who supported the Nazis as well unfortunately

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Anonymous drums_of_liberation 7w

Yeah f critical analysis, and all issues are only black and white :)

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Anonymous #2 7w

Thats a very different Palestinian leader 💀

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Anonymous #9 7w

Yeah true because back then the pogroms against the Jews were much smaller scale and less organized than Hamas. Same ideology though

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Anonymous #2 7w

lol ain’t no way you posted that like it means something. Holocaust historians yelled at Bibi for sharing this holocaust revisionism as a way to try justify this genocide. Again just say you’re pro genocide & Holocaust revisionism & keep it moving

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Anonymous #2 7w

I don’t think you’ve looked into the mandate of Palestine…

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Anonymous #2 7w

Reported for promoting violence against Arabs

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Anonymous #10 7w

Reported you for the same thing :)

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Anonymous drums_of_liberation 7w

I’m talking about the pogroms in the Middle East before, during, and after the Holocaust. Ironically, it only made Zionism stronger

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Anonymous #6 7w

I agree there’s a connection I’m saying the connection is irrelevant to my point bc Hamas still has autonomy over their actions. It’s like if someone murdered another person we could explain that behavior by their poor up bringing maybe they came from a disadvantaged household ect, we would still hold that person morally accountable. Thats the difference between an explanation and a justification that’s what I keep trying to explain but it’s going over everyones head apparently.

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Anonymous #6 7w

I never said both sides are equally bad but yes both are bad. Bad actions don’t justify other bad actions.

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Anonymous #6 7w

A justification for what lol? Israel killing Children is justification for what?

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Anonymous drums_of_liberation 7w

if you have the brain of a child then go for it, but the average adult has the ability to say two things are bad at a the same time.

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Anonymous #6 7w

Yeah comparing two things isn’t saying they’re morally the same that’s why it’s a comparison I’m not saying they’re the same things.

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Anonymous #10 7w

Lmao the larp

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

Call your military tribunal a ww2 reenactment

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Anonymous #10 7w

Did you know that the hang man at the Nuremberg trials got promoted for intentionally making the drop too short so that the dogs would choke for up to 30 minutes? :D

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Anonymous #10 7w

Omg that’s so edgy

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

No that’s guillotines

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Anonymous #10 7w

My military tribunal for what?

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

Yes you’re right the people doing the genocide bad & the people resisting the genocide also bad… trying to both sides a genocide is crazy work

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Anonymous #2 7w

Dawg you really posted holocaust revisionism & said the Arabs made people do colonialism what an insane take.

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Anonymous drums_of_liberation 7w

They aren’t bad for resisting a morally wrong action. You don’t need to shoot up a music festival that doesn’t stop any bad Israeli action if anything it just radicalizes Israelis more. That’s why they’re bad.

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

The one thing I’ll agree with you on is that 10/7 was horrific & the loss of innocent life isn’t justified. My thing is I also acknowledge it’s the response to decades of abuse at the hands of Israel & the only way to stop such acts is to stop Israel’s abuse. Once it’s all over go ahead & try Hamas members who killed innocent people in Hague but until then it’s kinda dumb to make that the focus

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Anonymous drums_of_liberation 7w

It’s like saying sure slavery is bad but the slaves who killed innocent people who weren’t slave owners & just lived on the plantation is also bad. I mean sure but if you don’t want slaves doing that then end the slavery

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Anonymous drums_of_liberation 7w

I’m not saying make it the focus. I think obviously at this point Israel is the main problem in this situation. The insane rhetoric on here needs to be addressed regardless I’ve seen people unironically calling for the death of every Israeli on here. To me it feels like you can’t even discuss a morally good end to this conflict if the other person won’t even concede that terrorism is bad.

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Anonymous drums_of_liberation 7w

I don’t think slavery is analogue bc Hamas (using that analogy) would be like the slave who wants worse slavery to make the slaver look bad. Hamas does everything it can to prompt Israel and to have as many civilian casualties as possible. They have tunnels under civilian building, they use civilian clothing, they use civilian infrastructure.

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Anonymous drums_of_liberation 7w

I just don’t think you’re able to prescribe a meaningful solution to the conflict if you’re analysis is one side 100% victim other side 100% aggressor.

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Anonymous drums_of_liberation 7w

Holocaust revisionism? You’re talking about the photo of the Grand Mufti?!? 😂

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Anonymous #10 7w

Nooses would be knotty not edgy

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Anonymous #10 7w

Yeah I was figuratively referencing the very cringey fantasy of killing people who disagree with you on the internet not a literal edge.

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Anonymous #2 7w

You & Bibi tried to use that photo of the British appointed & controlled Grand Mufti as a way to demonize the Palestinians & justifying the atrocities being committed against them. When Bibi did it he was rightfully called out by holocaust historians for doing holocaust revisionism

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

As for as people calling for the death of all Israelis while I personally believe that’s wrong no one was or is doing that in this thread so it’s kinda pointless to bring up here in my opinion. As for the Hamas thing Israel is occupying Gaza which I feel like you should know so idk what you mean by people wearing civilian clothes they freaking live there. The whole human shields thing is IDF propaganda that you’re regurgitating. If Hamas genuinely wants as many Palestinians to die then why would

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Anonymous drums_of_liberation 7w

They bother being the only ones actually trying to get a permanent ceasefire? Also why does Israel keep attacking places where Hamas isn’t even at if you believe the human shields stuff none of that makes sense. As for my analysis being one sided I just personally don’t believe in both siding a genocide Israel has the power to end the genocide. Israel can end the genocide not the Palestinians theres no such thing as both sides when discussing a genocide

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Look out for red triangles genocide supporter

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

You’re supporting starving children consider it even

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Anonymous #10 7w

This is how you’ll be greeted if you choose to be a pro genocidal nazi in public

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Anonymous drums_of_liberation 7w

I literally never said that. I just simply put the picture and referenced the pogroms in the Middle East that killed and displaced over 1 million Jews. The grand mufti was very complicit. Majority of the antisemitic violence was not perpetrated by palestinians. A real photograph during the Holocaust isn’t Holocaust revisionism you fucking moron

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Anonymous drums_of_liberation 7w

Israeli actions.

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Anonymous drums_of_liberation 7w

It's not pointless I think most people on this thread would at least downplay that as not that bad of an opinion. I feel strongly about this whenever we're playing the weird conflation game with justifications and explanations. It doesn't matter if they live there, combat troops are supposed to distinguish themselves from civilians to limit civilian casualties. It's not IDF propaganda we can over a specific claim if you want.

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Anonymous drums_of_liberation 7w

They wanted a ceasefire after them and their local allies had been completely destroyed along with the majority of their leadership. Israel attacking somewhere Hamas isn't doesn't mean Hamas doesn't use human shields that doesn't even logically follow. I'm not asking you to both side a genocide I'm asking to holistically analyze the situation you can use the word genocide as a thought stopping cliche if you like.

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

I’m sorry but I strongly disagree. I bring up uniforms because you can’t go into someone’s house & shoot everyone & claim well they weren’t wearing a uniform in their home that sounds stupid you also bring up reducing civilian casualties like Israel has actively been trying to reduce civilian casualties which only ticks me off that you would even hint at that given what the IDF has been doing it’s honestly ridiculous. I mean Hamas legit reached out about a ceasefire 8 days after 10/7 so are you

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Anonymous drums_of_liberation 7w

Genocide. I refuse to both sides genocide. Again there’s 3 parties involved the Palestinians, Israel, and the U.S. Two of them have the power to end the genocide and it’s not Palestinians.

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Anonymous drums_of_liberation 7w

I’m refusing to do a what aboutisms until we actually discuss what I brought up. Does Hamas not use civilian clothing if so is that bad? Im not hinting at anything I’m being as specific and blatant as possible. I know you guys want me to have these horrible opinions so we can morally grandstand on that. You can just ask me my opinions on things you don’t have to guess what I’m hinting at. I would prefer we had an actual dialogue.

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Anonymous drums_of_liberation 7w

Do you think a ceasefire proposal 8 days after a horrific terrorist was serious ceasefire proposal. I can’t even find this proposal can you send an article title?

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

No I don’t want you repeating IDF propaganda that’s a dumb assumption I’m against the genocide so the last thing I would want is someone repeating their bs I would genuinely much rather you be unconditionally against genocide. Israel has literally indiscriminately bombed the entire strip they have bombed every hospital, school, church, mosque even so called safe zones. They always use the excuse of human shields even when there is no evidence of such & then there supporters go around repeating

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Anonymous drums_of_liberation 7w

It’s not idf propaganda and think you being unwilling to engage with the question is telling enough. There is evidence of this.

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Anonymous drums_of_liberation 7w

This is a UN article condemning the placement of rockets in schools in Gaza:

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Anonymous drums_of_liberation 7w

https://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/press-releases/unrwa-strongly-condemns-placement-rockets-school

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Anonymous drums_of_liberation 7w

Here’s a NY article where they interviewed Hamas fighters who openly talk about tactics like using civilian buildings/clothing:

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Anonymous drums_of_liberation 7w

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/13/world/middleeast/hamas-gaza-israel-fighting.html

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

that article is from 2014 and they were in a vacant school

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Anonymous drums_of_liberation 7w

I can find other articles idk what sources you find compelling?

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Anonymous #1 7w

Yeah it’s kinda hard to smuggle rockets into a school that’s being actively used it’s still against international law and shows that they do use civilian infrastructure for things like rockets.

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Anonymous #1 7w

It also states this isn’t the first time that rockets have been found in a school happened.

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

good thing that no civilians were using that building anyways bc it’s literally abandoned

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

meanwhile the most of idf’s military bases are either adjacent or directly next to kibbutzim.

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Anonymous #1 7w

I guess if you rlly want to be the guy defending putting rockets in schools go for it lol not the best optics. The school was also located between two other schools that were populated.

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

why does the idf have bases right next to or in civilian areas? can you answer that for me?

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Anonymous #1 7w

Idk why we would compare Israeli bases to putting rockets in a school. Maybe if the base was in a school that would be more comparable lmao.

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

because military bases are legitimate targets for attacks. meaning that if someone were to attack said military bases it’s highly probable that there would be civilian casualties and deaths as a result. why do they have legitimate war targets so close to civilian areas?

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Anonymous #1 7w

I’m glad we’re doing a whataboutism about the idf bc your point about schools was rlly stupid. Idk I’m not the idf defender, I’m just the terrorism and putting rockets in schools is bad guy. Probably to protect those civilian areas if I had to give an argument, but I have no clue, it’s better than not using a base and just using a school.

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Anonymous #1 7w

I agree military bases are legitimate targets, using a school surrounded by populated schools would have a higher chance, again idk why we’re using this comparison it’s not a strong point for you lol but I guess we can stay on it lmao.

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

but you’re not the “putting military bases in civilian areas is bad”guy? so you think it’s not as bad that civilians will be directly killed if anyone targets those bases than if a guerilla militia (as your nyt article states) places makeshift rockets in a vacant school? yea your assessment sucks.

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Anonymous #1 7w

I genuinely can’t tell if this is bait or not. how are civilians more likely to be killed if you’re using a base vs a school surrounded by populated schools?

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

also really funny how you just said you’re not an idf defender but just defended their actions anyways as a way to “protect civilian areas”. putting a military base in civilian areas isn’t protecting shit.

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Anonymous #1 7w

What else would a military base be protecting other than a country’s population? Yes bc I feel like this is the simplest explanation to a rlly stupid question.

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Anonymous #10 7w

No I think the way Israel has handled aid is rlly bad and disgusting, but thank you for making up my positions.

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Anonymous #10 7w

Bro stop day dreaming about me lmao it’s so weird.

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

bc it’s a very obvious military target in a densely populated area that can be attacked. international humanitarian law generally requires parties to take precautions to avoid locating military objectives within or near densely populated areas and to minimize harm to civilians. you’re not putting the same energy towards the idf’s poor choices as you are for hamas and i’m calling you out.

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Anonymous drums_of_liberation 7w

I’m not talking about the first week or two. I’m not holding water I’m just giving a holistic analysis of the situation and calling out both parties when they’re in the wrong.

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

only one party is committing a genocide. only one party is starving children. only one party is weaponizing aid. only one party is bombing camps. only one party is attacking international aid orgs. your “holistic analysis” is justifying a genocide.

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Anonymous #1 7w

This is the dumbest call out ever if you’re just asking if putting a military base next to civilians is wrong I agree. I assume it has to be somewhere near or somewhere on the route to civilian populations bc that’s what you’re protecting, but if you’re necessarily putting a base near civilian populations then yes that’s wrong. I’m glad we stopped trying to say that’s the same as using a school lmao that was kinda an insane take.

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Anonymous #1 7w

Unnecessarily*

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

ya i never said it was the same. it’s a vacant building. that’s very different from putting an extremely vulnerable military base in the middle of a civilian town. i was saying that what israel is doing is actually worse.

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Anonymous #1 7w

I’ve already said this but I’ll say this again I disagree how Israel has used aid and it’s gross (among other things they’ve done that’s gross). See how I’m able to say two things are bad at the same time? That’s how you give a holistic analysis. I’m telling you this so you stop being the guy who justifies putting rockets in schools.

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Anonymous #1 7w

Ok I’m glad you clarified you’re actually dumber than how I represented you. Do you think using schools unnecessarily puts other schools at risk if there’s some ambiguity about even using schools as military bases? Also you keep throwing in random words to make your argument sound stronger like “vulnerable” is school less vulnerable than a military base lmao. You’re extremely delusional.

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

that’s not a holistic analysis buddy and i dunno who taught you what that was. you’re supposed to consider ALL interconnected parts as a whole. you selectively choose individual components rather than looking at the bigger picture. you saying “ya israel using aid is bad” doesn’t change the fact that you justify their military actions, which have all been genocidal.

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Anonymous #1 7w

Also the school was in the middle of other populated schools idk why you keep ignoring that. Well I know why you’re brain rotted on this issue.

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Anonymous #1 7w

It hasn’t been all genocidal how is using knock bombs genocidal? how is dropping leaflets genocidal? How is allowing any aid in genocidal? I agree some actions they’ve taken are grounds to accuse them of genocide but saying all actions they’ve taken is obviously not true. Also again for the however many times I’ve said this terrorism is still bad regardless. Like I said you can say multiple things are bad at the same time.

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

do you think putting military bases in civilian areas unnecessarily puts civilian areas at risk if they’re able to be targeted? btw it seems you’re not clear about this but vacant means uninhabited. abandoned. as in civilians are no longer using the school. last time i checked you’re allowed to occupy abandoned buildings (yes, even civilian ones) in armed conflict as long as it falls under the rules of international law. the US did this in Iraq and Afghanistan.

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

i just told you what they’ve done to be genocidal and you’re choosing to ignore that. doesn’t sound holistic to me at all. harvard released a study saying that hundreds of thousands of people have been killed over the past 2 years. the vast majority of Gaza’s population is about to or already has reached the point of irreversible malnutrition under the supervision of the israeli-controlled GHF, who shoots at them while they’re trying to get aid. what part of that isn’t genocidal?

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Anonymous #1 7w

Are you even reading what I’ve been saying I’ve already answered all of this but ig I can do it again 1. It depends I’m assuming when you’re placing a base you’re considering it’s ability to defend civilian areas as well as distance to civilian populations. unless you can prove they unnecessarily put a base next to a civilian population that’s not super compelling. Also Israel has invested a lot into bomb shelters and missile defense systems this argument is just delusional.

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Anonymous #1 7w

2. Yes putting rockets in a UNRWA school is against international law as UNRWA states lol. Also I know you’re not reading what I say bc my main contention isn’t the school being empty it’s the fact is surrounded by populated schools.

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

there’s no excuse to be putting a military base in a civilian area. you can protect civilians with local security. when have you ever seen the army pull up to protect your town? we have local law enforcement for that, not the whole military branch. and i suppose that’s the issue, isn’t it? that israel requires military occupation in order to sustain itself? that’s not normal.

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Anonymous #1 7w

I haven’t ignored anything meaningful you’re just rambling a lot idk how to respond to some of it tbh. Yeah I already said how the Israeli distribution of aid is disgusting idk why you keep telling me that like I disagree. I’ve clarified that repeatedly at this point.

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

you can build as many bomb shelters and missile defense systems as you want, that doesn’t justify putting a military base in a densely populated civilian area, no ifs ands or buts. sorry you think this is stupid but it’s literally international law

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Anonymous #1 7w

You realize we have military bases next to population centers in the U.S. right? If you’re being attacked by a foreign power like Israel routinely is the military primarily deals with that not the police lol. That’s the point of the military.

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

no. it’s not just disgusting. it’s genocidal. you refuse to admit THAT part.

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Anonymous #1 7w

I’m not saying it justifies it I’m saying that goes against the narrative you’re trying to build that Israel doesn’t care about their civilian population why would they do that if they didn’t? I don’t think it’s stupid it is stupid.

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Anonymous #1 7w

At this point yeah I wouldn’t even argue against the genocide claim. Sure I agree, I just think genocide is a legal term with a legal burden of proof, I also don’t think you need to say it to say it’s bad but at this point I don’t think the claim is super important.

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Anonymous #1 7w

And to round back to my main point regardless that doesn’t change any of my opinions about Hamas or what they’ve done.

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

you know we’re not under constant attack, right? this only becomes a problem in conflict, which Israel is always in because it continues to illegally occupy Palestinian land and commit genocide. ever heard of passive human shielding? that’s when a military puts bases near civilians to make attacks harder or riskier. even if it’s not intentional (doubtful), it still puts civilians in danger and violates international law.

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

they don’t give af about their civilian population considering it’s essentially an eternal war zone. they certainly don’t care about Palestinian civilians either they’ve made that abundantly clear.

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

so you agree that israel is committing a genocide yes or no

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Anonymous #1 7w

Blue wave is really just a liberal zionist they claim they aren’t defending Israel by saying yeah some of what they do is bad then in the next breath repeats IDF propaganda to justify their actions and tries to redirect focus & place portions of the blame for Israel’s genocide on people who are powerless to stop it

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Anonymous drums_of_liberation 7w

Yes I'm literally an open liberal Zionist I've made post about how I am a liberal Zionist who's pro two state and is against the current Israeli gov and war. It's not IDF propaganda you keep saying that but whenever I try to go into the actual claims you weirdly go silent. I've said this so many times I just think people are responsible for their actions I blame bad Israeli actions on Israel I blame bad Hamas actions on Hamas l've literally been doing that this entire thread.

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Anonymous drums_of_liberation 7w

Not that the IDF is always reliable or we should trust whatever they sad like their explanation about the aid bombing was stupid. Regardless everything I said about Hamas was true and I still invite you to go over the specific claims if you want.

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Anonymous drums_of_liberation 7w

the truth is you guys don’t gaf about Palestine. If you did the things I’ve talked about would easy concessions. For you guys it’s just about virtue signaling over the conflict it’s not any real engagement with the fact of the matter. That’s why you guys will defend putting rockets in schools which is the easiest concession ever to make. If you care about real solutions then actually engage with what’s going on.

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Anonymous #1 7w

I already answer if you want me to elaborate on my answer I will.

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Anonymous #1 7w

I thought you said there’s no excuse lol? Anyway again if you want to make this claim compelling prove they purposefully or unnecessarily do this. Like I said I think you want to protect civilian populations that’s why they would be located next to civilian population that seems like the most likely explanation. Idk why Israel would use separate military bases provide air defense and bomb shelters, but this also put their bases to purposefully kill civilians that doesn’t make sense.

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Anonymous #1 7w

If they don’t care about their civilian population why do they invest in bomb shelters they can use?

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

You guys? You’re right let me make concessions on my point that genocide is bad & the party doing the genocide needs to stop. You understand how ridiculous that sounds? There you go again trying to both sides a genocide that’s the problem with liberal Zionist you guys act like just because you can admit that Bibi sucks & the settlers are insane you’re somehow on the right side of this situation yet no matter what you still have both sides a genocide.

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Anonymous drums_of_liberation 7w

There is no concessions for me to make genocide is bad always & people doing/defending genocide are bad. What is there for me to concede? Also how dare someone who has the nerve to defend Israel’s mass bombing campaign claim to be the one who truly cares about the Palestinians it’s freaking disgusting

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Anonymous drums_of_liberation 7w

It’s insane that you believe being unconditionally against genocide is virtue signaling. If that’s how you feel about genocide then frankly you’re a terrible person.

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Anonymous drums_of_liberation 7w

Is putting rockets in schools good or bad? It doesn’t sound ridiculous you’ve just been living in this echo chamber where spamming genocide means you don’t have critically engage with anything. The big difference between you and me is I’ll concede things. If you guys ask me is this Israeli action is bad I’ll say yeah ofc is, but if I ask you guys if putting rockets in school is bad you justify it that’s the big difference.

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Anonymous drums_of_liberation 7w

You keep saying this “both siding genocide” like it’s an argument in no other context would a bad thing justify another bad thing that’s not how the world works. Everyone on here understands this but bc it’s been in this context where have to endlessly virtue signal we can’t admit that.

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Anonymous drums_of_liberation 7w

To make analogous out of this it’s like if someone killed someone’s entire family bc the other person hit them with a hammer. Hitting someone with a hammer is wrong so killing someone’s entire family. This would be like you guys saying I’m both siding killing families bc I said hitting people with hammer is wrong. Your point would be so much stronger if you just said yeah hitting people with hammers is wrong I agree.

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

That’s honestly stupid. Killing somebody whole family is way worse there’s no comparison yes the hammer is wrong but it’s not even close to the same plane so focusing on that when someone just did mass murder is freaking stupid

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Anonymous drums_of_liberation 7w

All of your arguments are you just repeatedly both sides and then trying to explain how the both sides approach is the correct position to have which I already told you I disagree with.

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Anonymous drums_of_liberation 7w

Do I think place rockets in an abandoned school justifies Israel blowing up all the schools including the ones that aren’t abandoned no but hey you want to both sides this for some reason. Do you believe rockets in an abandoned school justifies Israel blowing up all the schools including the ones that aren’t abandoned

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Anonymous drums_of_liberation 7w

Our fundamental disagreement stems from the fact that I believe Israel is an apartheid state that’s doing a genocide is there is 0 justification for it. You on the other need to both sides everything since to some degree you believe there is a justification for said actions

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Anonymous drums_of_liberation 7w

Dipshit, im not saying hitting people with hammers is the same as killing families. That’s why I picked those two things to demonstrate the point that one thing can be worse than the other you can still call the other thing wrong. It’s important to focus on that when suddenly everyone is justifying hitting people with hammers.

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Anonymous drums_of_liberation 7w

You keep trying to justify & soften their mass bombing of the entire Gaza Strip which in my opinion is simply just genocide defense. Hell for all I know you don’t even believe Israel is doing a genocide I’m sure if you did you wouldn’t go out of your way to try & justify some of it.

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Anonymous drums_of_liberation 7w

Yeah I just explain to you how you should “”both sides”” situations that doesn’t make you wrong in the context we’re talking about. I know we disagree I’m explaining to you why your argument doesn’t make sense. Thank you for laying out your perception like it’s an argument.

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

Don’t call me a dipshit I haven’t used that type of language with you so you need to dial it back.

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

And I’m explaining to you if genuinely believe one side is doing a genocide then your position doesn’t make sense.

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Anonymous drums_of_liberation 7w

But I’m not justifying any actions you’ve listed I’m just stating a matter fact that Hamas does x things. Again we already explained why the both siding thing isn’t an argument but I guess if that’s the phrase we’re using to not critically thing.

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

I mean you are & have justified actions. I noticed you haven’t answered this question but do you believe Israel is committing a genocide yes or no

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

wouldn’t need that many bomb shelters if they knew they wouldn’t be provoking and attacking every country in the middle east. also people wouldn’t want to live in israel if there aren’t bomb shelters or protection considering it constantly provokes and attacks all countries surrounding it. they need settlers to maintain a settler colony. if no one wants to settle there bc they know it’s too dangerous, it will cease to exist. they have to at least give the illusion that it’s safe.

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

there aren’t excuses, especially for israel. but since you wanna play dumb and continue the whataboutism game, most US military bases aren’t located in or near densely populated civilian areas. and even the ones closer to civilian areas have deliberate fencing and buffer zones. civilian areas are built keeping the military base location in mind. you should know that most bases are in isolation considering you literally live here.

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

israel has continuously built more and more military bases intentionally in or near already established civilian areas. not in isolation. it’s not normal for a military base to be placed in densely populated areas, and the fact you’re the one making excuses for them is pathetic. again, i’m seeing less of a “holistic analysis” here and more lame excuses for war crimes.

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

and btw israel knows civilians are easily replaceable. they can propagandize and convince more idiots like you to move there. that propaganda is crashing and burning more and more tho for most ppl that have brain cells and know that it’s a death sentence living in a bloodthirsty settler colony.

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Anonymous #1 7w

Are you talking about the West Bank settlers or all civilians in Israel proper?

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Anonymous #2 7w

israel is a settler colony. i’ve said this multiple times. anyone that comes to live in a settler colony is a settler.

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Anonymous #1 7w

Then wouldn’t every country be a settler colony?

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Anonymous #2 7w

why y’all always have to ask the same dumbass question? a country is a recognized political entity with borders, a government, and sovereignty. a settler colony is a project built on taking land from indigenous people through invasion, settlement, and ongoing domination. the difference is that not all countries were built this way, but settler colonies like israel are founded on and continue to depend on the displacement and control of native populations.

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Anonymous #2 7w

even though some (NOT ALL) countries have had colonial pasts, the characterization of a settler colony requires ongoing operation through military force, land theft, and systemic apartheid. most countries aren’t doing that. israel is.

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Anonymous #1 7w

So everyone in China would be considered a settler by your standards because of their settler colonialism of Tibet and apartheid of Uyghurs right?

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Anonymous #1 7w

Or maybe Syria would be a good example because their government is attacking indigenous Druze and Christians, so Syria would be a settler colonial nation to you and all the civilians settlers

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Anonymous #2 7w

you’re misusing the term. settler colonialism isn’t just any oppression, it’s when outsiders move in, replace the indigenous population, and claim the land. china’s repression in tibet and xinjiang is awful, but that doesn’t automatically make every chinese person a settler. same with syria, state violence isn’t settler colonialism unless there’s actual settler replacement. throwing the term around randomly just waters it down and shows you don’t really get what it means.

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Anonymous #1 7w

That was my original point with what you were doing with the term, saying that every single Israeli is a settler when that’s not true. The settlers in the West Bank are settler colonialists and valid military targets

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Anonymous #2 7w

no i stand by what i said lmfao. every single israeli is a settler. the entirety of israel, not just the illegal settlements in the west bank, is a settler colony. the original zionists established this in their own literature and when they arrived there. it was always a colonization project and will always be one.

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Anonymous drums_of_liberation 7w

That’s not what I asked, I asked if putting rockets in schools was bad. Putting rockets in schools 100% justifies blowing up that school. Do you think if you fire rockets in a school you can now just kill infinite people with rockets? I also just think the very selective way you engage with this topic is super telling.

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Anonymous drums_of_liberation 7w

What have I said that incorrect or false? Your logic is so flawed with this topic saying something makes Israeli look better = wrong is bad logic. Why not just discuss what true or not true? Again I think Israel does bad things and Hamas does bad things.

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Anonymous drums_of_liberation 7w

How does not make sense explain how my position doesn’t make sense?

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Anonymous drums_of_liberation 7w

No I’m not gonna answer questions when you refuse to. Is putting rockets in schools good or bad? Does Hamas use civilian clothing? If so is that good or bad? Again this how your being bad faith you’ll never answer these questions.

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Anonymous drums_of_liberation 7w

You are a dipshit l'm not gonna pretend like l'm having a normal convo with a normal person. This convo is extremely bad faith regardless if you're intentionally doing it or not.

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Anonymous #1 7w

See how you just moved the goal post to it’s not safe to it is safe but it’s bad that it’s safe bc that perpetuates Israel? Which is it? can Israel survive despite it having wars bc it’s so safe or is it unsafe and they don’t care about their civilians? These two positions don’t make sense together pick one.

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Anonymous #1 7w

You started the whataboutism game I was talking about a specific Hamas action you brought it Israel the projection is so funny. It doesn’t matter if most are you said there’s no excuse to have them near populated areas you’re contradicting yourself again. I never said most aren’t we have to run through every bad faith tactic.

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Anonymous #1 7w

I know what your claim is I’m asking you to prove it. Why are they doing it? Prove they’re doing it intentionally or unnecessarily you keep just repeating your claim like it’s an argument. What do you mean you just said the us puts them next to populated areas? If most U.S. bases aren’t next to populated areas that means some are. I’m not making excuses I’m just asking you prove your claim.

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

I answered your questions already you just didn’t like my answers & don’t want to answer my question because from the sounds of it you don’t believe that Israel is committing a genocide which is why you want to both sides everything. Imagine trying to both sides the Nazis it’s ridiculous & you wouldn’t do it.

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Anonymous #1 7w

Idk if that’s you implying I’m Jewish lmao I don’t fall under the law of return. I also have no interest in moving there, but cool weird ramble.

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Anonymous drums_of_liberation 7w

Wild of you to call me a dipshit because I believe Israel bombing every single church, mosque, sniping kids, setting up concentration camps, killing aid works, killing journalists, creating a man made famine, shooting people trying to get food etc etc etc is a genocide & there is no both sides to genocide. Honestly you’re a disgusting piece of 💩which isn’t surprising considering you’re a self proclaimed Zionist there’s no reasoning with people with your mindset because at the end of day you’ll

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Anonymous drums_of_liberation 7w

No you didn’t you said that doesn’t justify blowing up a school . My question wasn’t does that justify blowing up a school my question was is it wrong? But I know you can’t answer questions honestly. You literally agreed to my hammer analogy idk why you keep saying “both sides” like it’s argument I just explain why that doesn’t make sense. You can still call other bad actions bad.

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Anonymous drums_of_liberation 7w

Try to find some reason to justify why Israel has to do some of this which is just a way to justify their genocide which you’re too much of a freaking coward to just admit to & instead have to try & pretend that you’re against it. It’s an anonymous app just say it with your chest instead of pussyfooting around it. Don’t believe Israel is currently committing a genocide yes or no

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

I said it don’t justify blowing up all the schools which is what Israel did. Your question is stupid because it implies that Israel’s response to finding weapons in an abandoned school which was to blow up all the schools including the non abandoned ones was somehow valid. There weren’t weapons there so no it’s fucking wrong. We found a loaded gun in the abandon house so let blow up the entire neighborhood & kill everyone in it is a insane response & you’re a horrible person for trying 2 justify

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Anonymous drums_of_liberation 7w

Also using genocide to defend yourself from being called a dipshit is rlly funny.

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Anonymous drums_of_liberation 7w

Im not finding a reason im just trying see if you’ll engage in what’s true or not true. Hey I’ll answer your question if you answer the questions you’ve been running from.

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

Rich to say I’m this far from reality when you’re the one trying to defend Israel. Also I’m not using the word genocide to defend myself I’m using the word genocide because that’s why Israel is doing. You’re the one detached from reality if you can’t see that what’s happening is genocide. Part of the reason Israel is dropping so fast in popularity is not only because they are live streaming a genocide which is any halfway moral person would be against which you’re not but they’re defenders

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Anonymous drums_of_liberation 7w

Sounds insane & normal people listen to them & go these people are insane & disgusting yet ironically Israel’s defenders believe they are making solid arguments & wonder why it’s not moving people. It’s because you guys look & sound insane to everyone else. To anyone who’s not already a zionst you sound insane

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

womp womp

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Anonymous drums_of_liberation 7w

You literally did just use genocide to defend yourself I just specifically stated why you were a dipshit then you pretended like it was bc you’re anti genocide. People aren’t detached from reality bc they’re pro one side or the other people are detached from reality when you they can’t follow or answer simple things like you can’t. I’ve been criticizing Israel this entire time you guys haven’t conceding anything.

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Anonymous drums_of_liberation 7w

Hey piece of 💩 I don’t see an issue with putting rockets in an abandoned school. It’s fucking abandoned & Idk why you’re trying to treat like a school full of people & Idk why that’s the main focus when Israel blew up all the schools including the ones with people & no weapons. Your whole premise is bad faith but that’s to be expected from a Zionist idk why I thought you would be capable of anything else.

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

u just said a whole lot of nothing, what a waste of 3 minutes of my life reading ur cope confession 🥱

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Anonymous #1 7w

Hope you learned some stuff

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

ya i learned you’re a genocidal pos. you clearly didn’t learn shit with your brainless headass

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Anonymous drums_of_liberation 7w

Ok so you don’t think it’s wrong just say that idk why you were being that cowardly. I’ll tell why it’s wrong now it’s my turn to morally grandstand bc you actually just gave a disgusting opinion. It’s wrong bc you’re creating ambiguity about if schools are being used for military purposes that puts schools at risk. Also keep selectively ignoring this part but the school was surrounded by populated schools with children. Not only that this had happened multiple times.

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Anonymous drums_of_liberation 7w

I haven’t conceded anything because I have nothing to concede. Israel is committing a genocide & I’m unconditionally against genocide & for Palestinian emancipation. Criticism isn’t the same as denouncing it. There’s MAGA idiots critical of some of Trumps action yet they still support them. You saying that sure Israel does some bad things while still defending them is meaningless

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

israel puts itself at risk by existing on stolen land and killing innocent people to steal more

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Anonymous drums_of_liberation 7w

How is it bad faith to say putting rockets in schools is wrong? You can’t have it both ways you can’t say it’s wrong to blow up schools but also you can put rockets in schools. You don’t have a real moral principles in this conflict all of this is just virtue signaling like I knew it was.

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Anonymous #1 7w

Ok thank you for the irrelevant ramble 1

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

Are you freaking stupid? “ You don’t think it’s wrong just say that” dumbass I said I don’t think it’s wrong I literally did say that. This is what I mean you’re using this to justify destroying all the schools & doing mass killing of civilians. By your implied logic Israel’s mass bombing of the Gaza Strip is justified because what if there’s weapons somewhere better safe then sorry & just bomb every & kill everyone. Typical Zionist trying to justify the mass killing of the Palestinians you guys

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Anonymous drums_of_liberation 7w

Really are evil

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

bc it’s an abandoned building not a school. i said this in a previous comment but the US literally used abandoned civilian structures in other countries like iraq and afghanistan for their own military objectives. it’s legal under international law why are you so pressed about this instead of the fact that israel literally raided and took over actively used hospitals in Gaza as bases themselves

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Anonymous drums_of_liberation 7w

Not only am I critical of Israel I don’t support the current war or government. Again I’ll just tell you what I believe you don’t have to make it up. I’m not asking you to say genocide is bad I can just call you a dipshit and listen to you virtue signal about genocide I don’t care. I’m asking you concede the simplest thing like is putting rockets in schools wrong.

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Anonymous #1 7w

It doesn’t matter blue wave will continue to find a way to justify Israel’s mass killing. Dude doesn’t have an issue with genocide when it’s Israel doing it

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Anonymous #1 7w

It’s ok you’re frustrated just keep pretending like I’m secretly evil so you don’t have to critically think it’s ok.

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

Yeah I know you don’t care about genocide it’s pretty obvious you don’t need to tell me

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

don’t flatter yourself stinkerbutt i’m not thinking about you as much as you think about me, mf been on here for 3 days tryna prove yourself to be israel’s biggest fan, and they still aren’t gonna pick you just like your daddy didn’t either

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Anonymous drums_of_liberation 7w

No you didn’t you’ve been running from that question I can see why bc you feel like you have to bite the bullet on something that stupid. That would be an easy question for anyone who isn’t brain broken. I like how every time I’m critical of you just ramble about Israel. I’ll just keep hammering this point bc we keep letting you off the hook.

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Anonymous drums_of_liberation 7w

Don’t you think putting rockets in school creates ambiguity about if schools are being used for military purposes?

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

make like your username and wave goodbye cuz no one wants to see you hammer shit

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Anonymous #1 7w

Lmao the user name puns bc you’re ass mad.

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

ask the US they used abandoned schools and hospitals as barracks and command centers

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

at least i have a good reason to be mad at genocide, you’re mad that we don’t want more ppl to die

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

let me rephrase, we don’t want more Palestinians* dying. seems like you’re fine with that.

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Anonymous #1 7w

It wasn’t a completely abounded school idk why you keep saying that it was still being used by UNRWA that’s why UNRWA had to clear it. Again I’m assuming when they did they didn’t have populated schools surrounding them.

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Anonymous #1 7w

You’re not mad about genocide your made bc I called you out for virtue signaling you don’t gaf about this conflict.

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

it was an abandoned school read the damn UN article

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Anonymous #1 7w

Palestinians dying is obviously sad.

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

why are you assuming that maybe do research first or are you incapable of doing that with your shrinking brain cell

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Anonymous #1 7w

Do research about the claim your brought up?

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Anonymous #1 7w

Why did UNRWA clear the school if they weren’t using it still?

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

i did asshole i learned about it in school, a place where you don’t seem to go, that’s why i brought it up.

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Anonymous #1 7w

I don’t need to do research putting rockets or any military personnel or weapons into a school is wrong if it’s surrounded by children. Maybe you need to do research to know if that’s wrong or not I don’t have to.

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Anonymous #1 7w

You learned that the U.S. used schools surrounded by children what class was this? I’m so curious

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

That’s just a bs excuse considering that Israel has bombed all infrastructures & targets civilians. Also idk how you view that as biting the bullet your question doesn’t justify Israel’s response no matter how much you believe it does & anyone who’s not a Zionist with Israel’s cock up their ass would have the same response as me. Also yeah of course my focus is on Israel they’re the ones doing the genocide if you’re anti genocide is a stupid waste of time to focus on something or someone

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Anonymous #1 7w

Where you in the school next to the US command center 😱😱 if so you’re a victim I’m sorry to tell you that was wrong.

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Anonymous drums_of_liberation 7w

Who isn’t doing the genocide & has no power to stop it but since you’re a Zionist that of course doesn’t make sense Israel’s balls are covering your eyes so you obviously can’t see the situation clearly

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Anonymous drums_of_liberation 7w

Saying that putting rockets in schools isn’t wrong is a crazy bullet to bite. Bro you’re lost I’m glad you’ve never talked to an actual pro IDF person you would get destroyed in any convo. That’s fine to focus on Israeli you should still be able to say putting rockets in a unrwa school surrounded by Childeren is wrong that’s been my entire point. You not being able to admit that defeats any criticism you have of Israel bc shows you aren’t principally for anything you preach about.

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

they didn’t clear the school, it wasn’t being used in general. israel was already claiming that hamas was using schools even prior to that discovery without any proof, which btw if you read the full article they didn’t even find rockets in there after doing an investigation.

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Anonymous drums_of_liberation 7w

I like how every time you get stuck in this convo you go strait to fantasying about all the evil beliefs I secretly hold.

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Anonymous #1 7w

Shocker a Zionist was lying

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

only a genocidal pos makes jokes about genocide. keep sucking netanyahu’s disease ridden prostate

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Anonymous #1 7w

Me when I just lie

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

me when i can’t read

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Anonymous #1 7w

Me when I lie again.

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Anonymous drums_of_liberation 7w

🌊 whole argument legit boils down to the IDF claimed without proof there were rockets in an ABANDONED building so they had to destroy all the buildings even the ones WITH PEOPLE & if you disagree then you’re a dishonest dipshit. You don’t understand had no choice but to make Gaza look like this

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

read the bottom of the report dumbass

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Anonymous drums_of_liberation 7w

Yeah dude you’re right Israel had to turn the whole Gaza Strip into this 🙃

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Anonymous drums_of_liberation 7w

I like how you just assumed I was lying without even reading the article. I can see why you aren’t able to say putting rockets in schools is bad you just accept things uncritically.

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Anonymous drums_of_liberation 7w

Again whenever you’re stuck in this convo you just make up beliefs I don’t hold then you virtue signal. For the however many times I’ve said this I’m against the war.

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

not my problem you can’t fucking read

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

An abandoned building isn’t the same as one with people so unless I’m dishonest I’m not going to treat it the same. The IDF has been caught so many times lying about stuff like its inane. Lastly have you’ve not seen pictures of what the Gaza Strip looks like like you have to be a genuinely evil person to dedicate so much time to trying to justify it

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

why is it not bad when the US does it

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

and better yet why is it okay that israel does it

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Anonymous #1 7w

If you read the title of report this wasn’t the first time they found rockets

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Anonymous drums_of_liberation 7w

It surrounded by schools and was again being used by unrwa who do you think found the rockets unrwa staff. I agree the IDF have lied about stuff that’s irrelevant to anything we’re talking about. Again im against the war I’m against Hamas doing evil shit maybe I should send you pic of Oct 7th and virtue signal about that.

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

ever notice how israel never established their own military bases in Gaza since the beginning of the genocide? gee i wonder what they could be using as temporary bases instead…

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Anonymous #1 7w

I said it is bad of the U.S. does it. I explicitly said that actually

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

i don’t see you talking about the US in that comment buddy.

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Anonymous #1 7w

I didn’t say it was ok if isreal did it in fact I would say the opposite again the making up of my positions.

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

well i’m implying you would considering they have been using civilian infrastructure for their own military objectives in Gaza

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Anonymous drums_of_liberation 7w

Ok we’re still selectively responding I’ll spell it out: THE SCHOOL WAS SURROUNDED BY POPULATED SCHOOLS. IF YOUR USING A SCHOOL FOR MILITARY PURPOSES THAT CREATES AMBIGUITY ABOUT IF SCHOOLS HAVE WEAPONS AT ALL.

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

ok good energy now use that towards holding israel accountable for doing the same exact thing, except they were actually confirmed to have done so

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

Ok I’ll spell it out. THEY MASS BOMBED THE ENTIRE GAZA STRIP & SNIPE KIDS IN THE HEAD FOR FUN

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

if you’re that pissed about hamas only allegedly using a school you should be livid that israel has explicitly been using all kinds of civilian infrastructure. let’s not forget how many actively in use hospitals they raided and how many ppl they killed to take control of a civilian facility

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

You’re still trying to defend Israel? SMH

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Anonymous #6 7w

I know me when I said the current Israeli government is disgusting and Israeli is the main problem, but calling terrorism bad is pro Israel now ig

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Anonymous #1 7w

They found a tunnel under that facility my understanding is their was some debate over in what capacity Hamas was using the building but evidence points to them using it in some capacity you can drop a source that says otherwise I’ll change my mind.

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Anonymous #1 7w

Yeah and it’s a stupid implication. A lot of your guys’ arguments hinge on me holding these evil secret beliefs that for some reason I don’t state on an anonymous app.

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Anonymous #1 7w

I’ll use that energy if I’m talking to a pro IDF people right now I’m talking to people who think putting rockets in school is based I have a ton of energy don’t worry.

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Anonymous drums_of_liberation 7w

And that’s irrelevant to the point every time you get stuck in this convo it’s either A. Weird ad hom about a belief I don’t hold or B. Some thing about Israel. It’s anything but engaging with the topic.

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

nope. human rights watch did a report on this: “Israel: In-Depth Look at Gaza School Attacks”. no tunnels were found under that facility. the israeli military even tried to make claims to justify their presence like the presence of weapons or being attacked, but they were all false or unsubstantiated. nice try tho. took you long enough to find a good excuse for israel to do the thing you’re so ardently criticizing. is it only okay when israel does it? do they have moral superiority?

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

look in the mirror buddy, you’re the one now making excuses for why israel can occupy actively operating schools and hospitals

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Anonymous #1 7w

Here is an cnn article where they were shown the entrance to a tunnel under the hospital I’ll check this out though.

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Anonymous #1 7w

You can occupy a school/ hospital if it’s already being used for military purposes. Using a hospital or school doesn’t make you immune from conflict that would only engage people to use hospitals and schools.

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Anonymous #1 7w

I found this in your source. It seems like Israel should have provided more evidence and they could have been potently negligent.

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Anonymous #1 7w

Encourage*

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

that’s an entirely different facility than the one i presented. i didn’t even mention al-shifa. btw, a former israeli PM admitted built those bunkers in the 80’s by israel. they actually already knew there was underground infrastructure there, so they could obviously make it seem like they discovered it.

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

oh brother. “they could have been potently negligent”. OR, they didn’t have the evidence. you can just say they committed war crimes buddy.

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Anonymous #1 7w

My understanding is even with war crimes the burden of proof is on those bringing the claim not the defendant. There seems to be some witnesses that contradict the Israeli story, but from my understanding the burden of proof would be on whoever is bringing the claim.

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

the burden of proof is having evidence dumbass

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

There’s plenty of evidence. Unless Israel erases it.

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Anonymous #1 7w

So I agree it’s pretty suspicious, idk if it’s a definite war crime the war crime claim seems to hinge on witness testimony I think it’s somewhat complying by not a smoking gun but that’s just my neutral observation.

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Anonymous #1 7w

Yes I’m saying the burden of proof wouldn’t be on isreal you said “they didn’t have the evidence” not having evidence doesn’t mean your guilty that’s the point of burden of proof,

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

so you went from “holistic analyst” to full blown idf apologist. great.

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Anonymous #1 7w

Compelling*

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Anonymous #1 7w

Wdym I think the IDF is bad I just don’t think this case is that compelling idk what you want me to say. Just bc I think one case is just suspicious doesn’t mean I don’t have more substantial criticisms of the IDF.

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

so the idf not having evidence holds greater weight in a claim than the Palestinians in Gaza who actually witnessed it giving evidence?

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Anonymous #1 7w

what did I get wrong in my analysis here how am I being an apologist?

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

this whole time you’ve been making excuses for them bruh

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Anonymous #1 7w

Yes that’s how burden of proof works you can dislike it ig? I agree the witness testimony is suspicious but like I said I don’t think it’s a smoking gun.

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Anonymous #1 7w

Or the witness testimony makes the IDF story look suspicious is what I mean.

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

“well i don’t think the case is compelling bc Palestinians actually proved the idf wrong” “ i don’t know if it’s a definite war crime claim bc Palestinians gave the evidence and i only value evidence from israeli occupiers”

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

my brother in christ read your fucking comment. you don’t like that the witnesses made the idf look bad and so therefore you just don’t believe it?? that’s not how this works

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Anonymous #1 7w

Wdym that’s just me being honest I think witness testimony only goes so far I’m sorry I don’t just immediately think they’re guilty idk. Bring a better case maybe I’ll agree with you, but until then I’m gonna be honest. Like in your mind IDF=bad in my mind bad actions= bad if they’re found doing bad actions that’s what I need to make a moral claim.

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Anonymous #1 7w

Wdym read my comment lmao. My point is witness testimony only goes so far and the burden of proof is on those who bring the claim. I’m not against them bc they’re speaking out against the IDF I’m just saying witness testimony can only concretely prove so much I would give this take for any party that’s being accused just on witness testimony I agree its suspicious. If the IDF doesn’t do a full investigation that would be wrong.

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Anonymous #1 7w

I know you have different standards for Israel I don’t I keep the same exact standards for everyone I’m sorry if that upsets you.

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Anonymous blue__wave 7w

not you saying wdym as if you don’t know exactly what i mean lmfao. ppl who are being totally honest don’t typically have to say it out loud. you don’t get to define what is hard evidence and what isn’t based on the vibes. after the initial claim is made and evidence is presented,the burden of proof lays with the party that has the most definitive evidence. they couldn’t provide reasonable doubt. sounds like someone isn’t gonna be a lawyer one day.

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Anonymous #1 7w

That’s true I know what you mean you just aren’t saying anything compelling. Wdym do you think witness testimony is always correct esp during active combat how is that vibes based? That’s not how any criminal cases work unless you have a source that says it’s different for war crimes I found a source that implies the opposite. This doesn’t even make sense do you think in combat they’re gathering evidence constantly to prove they haven’t done war crimes?

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Anonymous #1 7w

Sorry I thought we were talking about Al-shifa bc you referenced tunnels and that’s was the big controversy with that case. Yes they were proving the claim tunnels were under the hospital.

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Anonymous #1 7w

Also “except they were actually confirmed to have done so” then you immediately sent me a source that contradicted yourself but it’s ok.

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Anonymous #1 7w

#1 there’s no point in having a back in forth with 🌊 dude is legit saying the burden of proof isn’t on the IDF who’s making the claim which makes no sense. They’re also saying they treat everyone equally despite them routinely using information given by the IDF as fact & justification despite the IDF not backing said claims with evidence. Claims that making Isreal doing a genocide all about Isreal is wrong & that Isreal doing a genocide should equally be about the “bad” actions of the

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Anonymous drums_of_liberation 7w

Palestinians. Doesn’t call Israel’s actions a genocide & views calling it such just an attempt a moral superiority. Dudes a self admitted Zionist so there’s no reasoning with them . In their mind they are making perfect sense & like the vast majority of Israel defenders they can’t see why most people in world have such a negative view of Israel & the people constantly defending Israel & are unable to process the fact that outside of other Zionist their arguments just make Israel defenders look

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Anonymous drums_of_liberation 7w

Insane delusional monsters hence the highly negative views held by the general population on Israel & anyone still defending them around the world

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Anonymous drums_of_liberation 7w

Yes and his source is making a counter claim I’m not saying the IDF claim is correct I’m saying you can be unsure about a specific case and question both claims, which I did. I know this is Israel so you guys are delusion but pretend we’re not talking about Israel, it s generally bad to punish people for unproven claims that doesn’t mean a counter claim is true. I literally only referenced info from the source they provided good cope though.

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Anonymous drums_of_liberation 7w

You don’t make claims about Israel about Israel, that’s the problem you make cases about Hamas about Israel that’s one of your go to bad tactics when you’re dealing with a hard topic. Also I’ve explicitly said they aren’t equally in fact I’ve told you explicitly repeatedly it doesn’t have to be equal and it isn’t equal you can care about bad actions regardless if there’s worse actions. Everyone understands but bc you guys are brain broke on I/P you have to pretend like you can’t comprehend this

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Anonymous drums_of_liberation 7w

I think when you guys make the claim yes it is a claim of moral superiority bc you guys aren’t principled about anything. I have a negative view of Israel lmao but ok. I think it’s funny I’m being called the delusional one while you routinely imagine claims I’ve never made but what’s a guy to do?

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Anonymous #1 7w

Not stinkerbutt and daddy. Idk bro you’ve also been here with me and I like arguing with people so it’s fun for me and I think everything I’ve said is true and worth saying. Idk Hamas won’t pick you either.

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Anonymous drums_of_liberation 7w

It’s ok bro different opinions are hard it’s ok go circle jerk with #1 about how you guys can’t be stupid bc genocide is bad.

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Anonymous drums_of_liberation 7w

Literally you guys talking about how putting rockets in schools is based

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