I actually was there and I know who made up the dog thing. Which, yk, that was very mean of them. They know who they are and they very possibly could be lurking. Doof WASNT actually racist, Tele. There are real Nazis on here you could have focused your attention on instead. But you chose not too. I forget about that sometimes, but that was wrong of you yo. Idk why you’d rather try to extract internalized racism from someone trying their best, and then bully them, over bullying open racists.
Ohhhh really? Damn. That… is probably for the best. I’ve grown fairly close to Tele, and despite the shitty things they’ve done I think that still remains true. I think we’re on solid terms. WomenForTrump told me on her tik tok that she was in a group chat with Tele and a bunch of random racists? If she is… yikes. But also she a liar so who knows
Me and Tele have kind of a strange relationship. I spent a very long time being cruel to them, and they spent a long time being cruel to me. Eventually, it just kind of got exhausting. And so we just kinda stopped and slowly got on better terms. Idk if they’re a good person or not. They obviously have serious issues, but ultimately they really aren’t the big evil here, they’re just kind of seriously mentally ill. We don’t talk regularly anymore tho.
No it absolutely doesn’t excuse abusive behavior. And Tele is abusive. But also, I was abusive to Tele. Like objectively. It’s not that I suddenly think all the stuff they did was okay. It wasn’t, it was at its best misguided and at its worst criminal. But like I said, it becomes hard to keep screaming at someone who you’ve been screaming at for years. Eventually, you hit a wall. And the only way to pass the wall is to stop screaming and talk.
Idk. I think the time I spent talking with Tele non conforntationally was actually really healthy for me. It was a good period of self reflection, and a reminder that even tho this person did and does some terrible shitty things, so do I. And like, yk, I have to reconcile with that. And growing to understand Tele better helped me understand my own traits that make me cruel. I genuinely believe that without talking to them, I might be a slightly worse person.
Ok and Hitler was pretty good at painting. Should we have tried talking to Hitler instead of storming Normandy? It says a LOT about you as a person if you’re willing to associate with objectively horrible people. Esp those who take pleasure in frequently committing violent crimes
They said they did it fairly recently. Which is a huuuge issue. They also don’t understand why it was wrong when they did. That’s the point I’m trying to get at that nobody is quite getting. Maybe that’s just a trauma response from having to deal with him so much and get law enforcement involved. Who knows. Idk why it’s so hard to say “yeah he was bad and talking to him wasn’t a good idea and I shouldn’t have done that”. Not “no it was great for me bc im a good person and he’s good at music”
What I’m saying is that despite Tele being a cruel person, I found that me and them had a lot in common. Not just music wise, that was a side note, but also personality wise and belief wise. And that made me realize, in a lot of ways in my own life, I was also cruel. The time I spent talking with them helped me grow past some of my own cruelty, by basically having a mirror to myself.
You had to compare yourself to a violent person known to have a cluster b personality disorder to self reflect about your own poor behaviors…..and still refuse to acknowledge how associating with that type of person is harmful and problematic…….men will do fucking ANYTHING except go to therapy 😭
And I mean, is that wrong? I feel like I came out a better person, with a more clear understanding of my own behavior by talking to them about their in a non confrontational way. I struggle to feel that this is wrong when the outcome like, improved my relationships interpersonally. If even just by a relatively small amount, it’s not like I was a cartoon villain before hand lmao.
Actions can still be wrong while having a net positive or net neutral outcome. Yes, it’s wrong to associate with someone who does bad things. ESP one known to manipulate people into platforming their hate and bigotry. That’s beyond the literal crimes. “It turned out ok but maybe I shouldn’t have done that and shouldn’t in the future” is the lesson here, imo
Bc every conversation he has his goal is to manipulate people into adopting his belief system, and the longer he has conversations with you the more info he can get to stalk you. Which he then uses as blackmail to adopt his belief system by threatening you, your job, your friends, your family, he did a lot of bad things to a lot of people. For no reason but personal satisfaction in harm. Giving him any level of attention (negative or positive) fuels it
And there’s the monkey brain reason of telling people you happily associated with someone they all hate bc he hurt them makes them not want trust you, and diminishes your own credibility in future discussions (eps involving morality if it’s a perceived moral lapse)