Anonymous #1 1w

I pretty sure they said this ill have to find the quote

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Anonymous #1 1w

Christ said that I think

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Anonymous #12 1w

When it’s the difference between 10k even people who need immediate critical care will drive themselves or be driven by family or friends to the hospital to save on cost. Saying “you should drive if you can” misses the point that excessive cost means richer folks get priority. For profit healthcare is the dumbest solution possible for a critical infrastructure need and they’ve got dipshits like you thinking that what they charge is the actual cost of material production and care.

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Anonymous #13 1w

Its 10k in areas that are super inaccessible to ambulances and don't have enough running, like it or not the pricing is based on how difficult the call is to complete.

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Anonymous #13 1w

In really remote places, critical care can be over 50k because it involves staffing and procuring a medically equipped helicopter

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Anonymous #12 1w

The pricing is based on insurance code books. The bill for the call is orders of magnitude higher than the sum of materials and labor because insurance companies have pushed and lobbied for years to make healthcare as expensive as possible. There is a reason why the United States is one of the only first world nations without some form of socialized healthcare, and it’s not because it’s too expensive or difficult.

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Anonymous #13 1w

Eh I don't necessarily disagree that the insurance companies and pharma industry don't deserve to profit the amount they do, however making the system completely disproportionate to any pricing scale based on actual costs of service is just moronic

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Anonymous #12 1w

Pricing already is massively disproportionate to cost, that’s the entire point. We are exorbitantly overcharged on every aspect of healthcare from ambulances to doctors to pharmacies. Things that cost dollars to produce are marked up to hundreds. You are being cheated blind so you do the equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and humming to ignore it

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Anonymous #13 1w

Cost, ease of access, and quality never come in a trio when it comes to healthcare.

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Anonymous #13 1w

No matter how much you strive for all 3, you will inevitably end up with only 2

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Anonymous #12 1w

Thank you Captain obvious. What you’re saying is completely irrelevant

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Anonymous #12 1w

Defeatism is the ally of oppression and the enemy of progress. As long as people like you are unwilling to even think about the possibility of there being a system better than we have we will continue to fall deeper into a pit of capitalistic hell where basic humanity is traded for profit. Countries with far fewer resources than ours have healthcare infrastructure that makes ours look barbaric, are you really satisfied?

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Anonymous #13 1w

Ours only look barbaric if the idea of paying for healthcare is barbarism to you

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Anonymous #13 1w

Sure, insurance companies take advantage of us in that regard, this could be pointed out in a number of other metrics from cars to housing. It seems like our problem lies more with the insurance based healthcare system, not capitalism

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Anonymous #12 1w

Why don’t you pay for public schools directly? Because it’s a public and universal service. So is healthcare. When people are afraid to go to the doctor and get a check up because of how expensive it is we fail as a society and we get less healthy as a whole

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Anonymous #13 1w

Theirs could look barbaric in many ways as well such as refusal to treat certain injuries

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Anonymous #12 1w

They don’t refuse to treat

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Anonymous #10 1w

EU countries and Canada, despite free basic levels of healthcare, can absolutely refuse to treat certain extensive injuries that are not immediately life threatening.

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Anonymous #10 1w

They also cannot guarantee medical care in specific scenarios where we would, such as search and rescue.

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Anonymous #12 1w

We don’t guarantee it

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Anonymous #12 1w

Yes exactly. If they’re not life threatening they don’t need immediate treatment

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Anonymous #10 1w

We operate search and rescue on a much larger scale though

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Anonymous #12 1w

The idea of denying poor folks healthcare because they are unable to pay is barbaric. The idea that if you are injured or get especially sick you will be in lifelong debt is barbaric. The reality of the American healthcare nightmare is barbaric. You make nothing but excuses for a system that was made to take advantage of you in order extract maximum value from your declining body.

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Anonymous #12 1w

So what? That means the average American should pay $4000 more per year for healthcare than the second most expensive country in the world?

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