Anonymous #2 13w

Give me a legit fucking answer on what problems illegal immigrants cause and maybe ill give a shit

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Anonymous #2 13w

Unfortunately because of how our government is set up it is political to talk about REAL solutions. There are lobbyists allowed to walk around with butt loads of money and the only way to stop gun violence is gun control. No, no one is telling you, you can’t own a gun for hunting. It’s just very clear that anything that will actually solve the issue is going to have to be legislatively addressed which in nature has become politicized.

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Anonymous #3 13w

Along with better access to firearm training and how to act around one* (if we’re talking about non-government solutions)

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Anonymous #1 13w

They bring about 96billion dollars worth of taxes but cost the taxpayers around 150 billion. Some of them also don’t assimilate and don’t value our laws leading to gang violence (TDA) and violent crimes of children and adult women taking place (but it’s much worse in some other countries).

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Anonymous #2 13w

Cool…. How do they cost the average taxpayer 150 billion?

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Anonymous #2 13w

Yes, killing is seldom required, and yet it happens all the time. You constantly say “let’s find solutions” and then no funding goes towards improving mental health, no funding goes towards illegal weapon interdiction, no funding goes towards trying to stop these things before it happens. Charity isn’t enough. We know it’s not enough. It never will be. America knew this in the 50s and we just conveniently forgot after the civil rights movement.

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Anonymous #2 13w

Cause im pretty sure mass deportation efforts are already costing more

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Anonymous #3 13w

And yes the solution is obviously political because it’s made by politicians, however when people say “don’t make it political” they mean don’t make it partisan, and work together on solutions. And I disagree strongly that the only answer is gun control and a lot of other people disagree as well. The second amendment isn’t just about hunting.

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Anonymous OP 13w

Why are republicans readily advocating to tear cities apart, even with actual military force now, just to fight this imaginary immigrant menace while doing absolutely nothing for any of those other things? Why will they break their backs to bend over backwards before even thinking about doing anything that benefits the working class?

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Anonymous OP 13w

I just want to know why. Why is it okay for us to constantly kill ourselves, and we have to be tip toe around that, but when it comes to immigrants, we spend billions into border security and militarize our cities, ban people from certain countries from ever visiting, we’re gonna take out shoes off at the airport, start wars and destabilize other countries, and completely abandon the 1st, 5th, and 10th amendments of our constitution? All that for immigrants. For us? Nothing, just keep dying.

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Anonymous #1 13w

They cost taxpayers upwards of 182 billion actually (I double checked) for things like education (of us born children, which I’m not against) healthcare, law enforcement, welfare + food assistance, housing and other government services provided to illegal immigrants. This is a yearly cost, and it will cost a lot to deport them, but as you deport more the price that they are costing us goes down.

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Anonymous OP 13w

ICE is doing their jobs of deporting illegal immigrants, and the national guard has been called into protect them and quell the riot around them. We ban people from certain countries because of human rights violations going on within their countries, or being hotspots for terror. I’m not sure what you mean about the 1st and 10th amendments being violated, because they haven’t, and neither has the 5th as ICE has administrative warrants for the people they deport.

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Anonymous #2 13w

You should immediately know wherever you got that from is bullshitting you, because nobody in this country gets healthcare, least of all illegal immigrants. You think people who are actively trying to avoid government detection are out here applying for government programs? Seriously? That’s like an escaped convict trying to go to the jails visitor center to go see his friends.

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Anonymous #2 13w

… so…. Everything you said are things ALREADY being paid for by the government. Like, a teacher isnt being paid more bc theres 2 extra immigrant chuldren (i fucking wish). The police WILL get paid for more immigrants being arrested, but thats because the police system has been bastardized for decades. Food assistance…. How? Like, you do know you need a social security number for food stamps right? Infact you need it for like, most government services

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Anonymous OP 13w

They JUST had this vote in Minnesota. It happens in plenty of other states. I believe Minnesota also passed a law allowing for illegal immigrants to get drivers licenses, for free. So you’re wrong about that.

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Anonymous #1 13w

More money is required the more children there are in school (again i’m okay with) more money is required for extra resources to deal with illegal immigration, whether that be overtime, or general items necessary for them to do their jobs, food assistance as in they are applying to welfare programs and getting them because they use their US born children to become eligible for SNAP and TANF.

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Anonymous #1 13w

Theres also been documented cases (though anecdotal) of some immigrants receiving cell phones so they can be notified of their court dates, and given cash in order to survive, they’ve also closed down hotels to house immigrants, and shut down middle schools when hotels are full.

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Anonymous #2 13w

Also it’s widely believed that A member of the Minnesota House of Representatives was killed for siding with Republicans on that bill and voting no

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Anonymous #2 13w

Notice how a lot of those problems get resolved by…. Just giving them the proper documentation? Extra resources to deal with illegal immigration too expensive? Make immigration easier Illegal Immigrants get cell phones to deal with their court dates? Make immigration easier, no more court date. Not gonna bother with the anecdotal stuff, hope you understand that i can’t debunk/argue every single individual action and would rather focus on broader stuff on yikyak

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Anonymous #2 13w

*voting to end it I mean

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Anonymous #2 13w

We both are fine with schools getting more money also, (they need more lets be real) And for the SNAP and TANE, i also think we should provide more funding to those anyways, but i know for a fact we wont agree as i believe in more socialist values, it would devolve into an entire argument about that. If you want to do that, im down but i want to focus on one thing

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Anonymous #1 13w

800k people immigrate to America and become citizens, every year, that is sustainable but millions of people coming in wears on the citizen, there’s a difference between natural gradual growth, and what you’re advocating for. The process needs to be difficult to rule out the people that mean harm, and to make sure the proper people are vetted. Making it easier would just mean more people coming in, and would still strain our system.

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Anonymous #1 13w

I’m not opposed to people relying on a system that they’ve put into, but as you said yourself it needs more funding, OR it needs less dependents. Illegal immigrants account for about 13 and a half billion dollars of their budget. Without that you could have the extra funding you’re looking for, its basic math spending less you can allocate that unnecessary spending somewhere else. Though again I think people should rely on their communities to help them rather than government programs.

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Anonymous #2 13w

I disagree on the fundamental idea that our current system is good at weeding out specifically harmful individuals. Its only good at that in the sense that it blocks a majority of then for little reason

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Anonymous #1 13w

But since they immigrated here illegally there’s not much of a community they have

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Anonymous #1 13w

You’re right the open border system we had under Biden saw 382 individuals on the terrorist watchlist that came into our country, Under the previous Trump administration that number was 11

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Anonymous #1 13w

Thats over a course of 4 years for the both of them btw

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Anonymous #2 13w

Undocumented people aren’t even eligible for welfare benefits or Medicaid dumbass. They can’t get like 90% of government services because they aren’t citizens.

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Anonymous #2 13w

And they’re absolutely part of the community- why do you think so many citizens are protesting the deportations?? Please find a real problem to be mad about.

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Anonymous #4 13w

Yeah I don’t think you read a single thing in this thread, because I already explained how both of those things you said are wrong

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Anonymous #1 13w

They take money an resources from citizens who need it.

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Anonymous #2 13w

So America wouldn’t be a country without immigrants. People immigrated from Britain for a better life which is why we have America. You can hate immigrants all you want but we wouldn’t be here today without them

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Anonymous #9 13w

I’m aware of this and I in no way hate immigrants, but when illegal immigration gets out of control and cities have to spend billions to house and take care of them, it affects the American citizens in those cities.

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Anonymous #9 13w

There’s a difference between settlers, founders and immigrants, in the later 19th century a lot of our infrastructure was built on legal immigrants coming here to make a life for themselves, I appreciate them and think they deserve respect, who I don’t respect however, is people that think they can skip the line (and ruin everything for the ones trying to come legally) and abuse the system. As Arnold Schwarzenegger said today “when you’re an immigrant you’re a guest and you have to act like one”

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