Anonymous pinksleepygirl 14w

Not everyone can. You are one of the people who are advocating to discriminate against a group of people for how they exist/look. There are plenty of groups who’ve done the same; and I doubt you can honestly say, any of them were good.

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And how do you know who does and does not have those conditions?

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Anonymous #2 14w

I think there are a lot of valid reasons why people would “let themselves go” I don’t think the appropriate response following that, would be to shame them.

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Anonymous OP 14w

No not shaming but encouraging them to work on themselves. There is no good reason to put your body in that much stress if it is an emotional thing, that doesn’t help your situation.

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Anonymous #2 14w

So you’d rather create a social situation where strangers get to dictate how people deal with emotional issues and how they should treat themselves if they reach a certain weight we arbitrarily decide is “too much”

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Anonymous OP 14w

Nobody’s dictating anything. I’m just saying it’s good to encourage people who are in that lifestyle because it’s harmful overtime and keeps people from enjoying some of the many aspects of life. I don’t mean to up to a fat person and ask innapropriate personal questions but get to the know the person and see how you can encourage better fitness. If you truly care about someone, you want to see them in their best self

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Anonymous #2 14w

You’re already deciding what the “only reasons” for being fat are. It seems impossible to attempt to create a cultural response without dictating arbitrary lines

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Anonymous OP 14w

What other reasons would there be besides a medical situation or voluntary due to a number of things?

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Anonymous #2 14w

Mental health? What’s an acceptable reason to be fat, to you?

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Anonymous OP 14w

Mental health was covered in the second reason, “voluntary due to a number of things”

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Anonymous OP 14w

If you have a medical condition, you obviously could not have controlled that. My own sibling has a thyroid problem which makes it hard for him.

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Anonymous #2 14w

Is it reasonable to be fat to you, due to financial issues, mental health issues, etc

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Anonymous OP 14w

Even in a mental health crisis, it was still your decision to cope or to act in a way that would lead to being overweight

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Anonymous OP 14w

Regardless of whether or not you could afford decent food versus fast food, there was always the option of keeping active in either situation.

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Anonymous #2 14w

Is it, yes or no?

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Anonymous OP 14w

I answered your question already

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Anonymous #2 14w

I didn’t actually see you say if you thought it was reasonable, I see you say what you think people’s capacities to stay fit are. But you don’t answer if you do or don’t think it’s reasonable after the last question asked.

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Anonymous OP 14w

A “no” is the simplified version to my comments

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Anonymous #2 14w

Great. In mental health crisis’ like depression, sometimes people cannot sustain themselves properly. The brain literally does not let them. This doesn’t just go for eating, but sleeping and drinking water too. (Among other things) Do you still think it was “their decision” at that point?

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Anonymous OP 14w

Do they have the opportunity to seek help?

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Anonymous #2 14w

That’s not an answer to the question I asked. I’ve given you a premise that not only is scientifically backed, but contests a claim you made. I’m being genuine here. So please answer. You didn’t qualify that in your last comment.

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Anonymous OP 14w

It’s a clarification question. Does the individual in your circumstance have the opportunity to seek any kind of help that would allow them to retain or develop their physical health?

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Anonymous #2 14w

It shouldn’t matter because you’re claiming them to have a choice in how they cope. Their brain does not present an option.

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Anonymous OP 14w

It does matter because if the individual has the opportunity to seek help of any kind, the ability to decide on that is still allotted to the person. Change has to come from a willingness to change, but if you say the individual has lost their faculty to make decisions such as talking to someone or seeking help then how would recovery be possible?

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Anonymous #2 14w

Again, your own claim is how they “choose” if your brain removes the capacity to make decisions like eat or sleep consistently, then it calls into question your claim. Do you?

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Anonymous OP 14w

Is there an illness that does that and what is the normal procedure for it?

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Anonymous #2 14w

You’re not answering.

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Anonymous OP 14w

I need to know if such an illness exists and if the procedures in terms of taking care of people with it would allow for the circumstance in which someone becomes overweight and is still abled and allowed to frequent public areas where someone would be inconvenienced.

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Anonymous #2 14w

That’s not an answer. I’m contesting a direct claim. You should be able to answer, given the premise I’ve provided.

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Anonymous OP 14w

It’s not an answer, it’s a request for clarification. You say someone with certain illnesses would be unable to make decisions. I’m asking if such an illness exists, and its procedures would still allow for the individual to frequent an area where someone would be inconvenienced. The whole sentiment is on people disliking being inconvenienced because of the overbearing physical health of someone else. If you have an illness where you can’t eat or drink on your own it would be reasonable to

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Anonymous #2 14w

assume that you would be under some kind of surveillance or with personal aids, or possibly kept in an area to recover, which nullifies any chance of inconveniencing someone.

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Anonymous #2 14w

I’m telling you it does. You’ve already been given that information. I find it hard to believe that even if this was a hypothetical you’d be unable to answer.

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Anonymous OP 14w

All you said was “what if this person cannot actually make those decisions” not “x is an illness in which this decision cannot be made and could result in the individual becoming overweight”

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Anonymous #2 14w

not what I said. Again the hypothetical if it were one, which it is not, scientifically, should not impact your answer

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Anonymous OP 14w

How does someone with that severity recover? If this person is on their journey to recover that’s fine to me for them to be overweight in the moment.

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Anonymous #2 14w

Non sequitur. Answer. Ive been so patient. You’re now being told that the condition in question IS real, and you said you couldn’t answer if you didn’t know that. I’ll answer you once you answer me.

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Anonymous OP 14w

If they can’t decide for themselves it really wouldn’t be up to them, but how would you recover unless you could make the decision of taking some form of action or steps to better health? I’ve already implied previously where it would be understandable in the mental health context. The whole purpose of my asking the questions is because if a person is dealing with these crisis but has no interest in seeking help they prolong their suffering. And as I said this all stems from people who didn’t

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Anonymous #2 14w

Actually no. You had made a claim that even with mental health issues, people can still “choose” was the phrasing you used.

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Anonymous #2 14w

like to be inconvenienced by people who were overweight, and I’m also saying that if this person can’t decide to recover or have any of these issues then would they even have the opportunity to unintentionally inconvenience someone because in all honesty if you can’t drink or eat or make decisions on your own you need people to aid you

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Anonymous OP 14w

Choose as in choose to seek help, or some kind of action where they would be going in for people to meet their mental and physical health needs. Are you saying people with that illness would not be able to choose to seek help?

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Anonymous #2 14w

Do you think people who don’t have the capacity to sleep or eat consistently have the capacity to do harder tasks?

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Anonymous OP 14w

What do you mean by harder tasks?

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Anonymous #2 14w

what confuses you about what I said?

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Anonymous OP 14w

Well what would doing or not doing hard tasks have to do in this context?

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Anonymous #2 14w

In the context of having depression?

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Anonymous #2 14w

Clinically diagnosed depression?

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Anonymous OP 14w

I’m sure you could still do a lot, including seeking help. As long as they’re taking the necessary steps to work on themselves they’re fine

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Anonymous #2 14w

You could still do a lot, according to?

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Anonymous OP 14w

Are you saying people with clinically diagnosed depression are unable to seek help?

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Anonymous #2 14w

According to? Why do you continue to avoid simple questions? It’s disingenuous that you’re reading these questions, processing them, and then making the conscious effort to avoid them.

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Anonymous OP 14w

When you have the “I’m sure” it is very clearly an opinion piece and not a sourced statement. That’s there because I was under the impression that you were under the impression that I was saying people with clinically diagnosed depression were incapable of doing anything at all, which I was giving you the benefit of the doubt that they can do some things. Are you trying to say something else?

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Anonymous #2 14w

An opinion can be baseless. It can also be rooted in fact. That’s why the “according to” portion. Which is what you’d call a clarification.

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Anonymous OP 14w

Perhaps we are not finding each other

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Anonymous OP 14w

Well, I did specify the purpose of the phrase

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Anonymous #2 14w

So just to be clear then. Rooted in nothing. That’s a baseless opinion.

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Anonymous OP 14w

I already told you what it was, please do try to understand the context I provided

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Anonymous #2 14w

Clarify for me then. That’s my understanding.

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