Anonymous #1 16w

Not gonna say trump voters are stupid people cause many aren’t, but they are on average less educated and less informed than democratic voters

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Anonymous #1 16w

Hold on I’ve got an image if I can find it

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Anonymous #1 16w

I think this is probably the most accurate.

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Anonymous OP 16w

Can you elaborate on what this means?

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Anonymous #1 16w

Sorry, im playing a game. The majority of “normal” IQ belongs to leftists, whereas the outliers of the least intelligent ( not all) being Republicans/Trump voters, and the most intelligent also being Republicans/Trump voters (again not all)

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Anonymous OP 16w

Ah ok, yeah I guess I see the humor in it but I don’t think it’s accurate. The most educated people (or highest iq I suppose) certainly include very few trump supporters. I think if you’re very educated you’re likely aware of the historical parallels we’re seeing now and don’t want to empower an authoritarian who’s made it his mission to disassemble our education system

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Anonymous #1 16w

My post was that educated only means went to college, not specifically doesn’t pay attention to news, or isn’t clued into politics. Highest IQ is not at all the same as most educated, Crystallized IQ can be strengthened I guess, but fluid IQ is more inherent abilities, but other than just most of non college graduates voting for Trump a lot of those in academia vote for him as well it’s not that they’re exclusive groups. Which is why the right is essentially the party of the working class now

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Anonymous #1 16w

I didn’t send it for jokes just its a semi accurate depiction of the outliers but of the upper echelons of IQ historically have been right wing

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Anonymous OP 16w

Do you have any stats to back up the claim that lots of people in academia voted for him? Or that people with high IQ’s typically vote Republican? Again it just seems nonsensical. If you’re an academic or someone with extreme intellectual gifts, why would you support the person or party who historically always try to reduce public access to education?

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Anonymous #1 16w

Sorry I was busy, this is an NBC 2025 election exit poll, but my statement was more of an observation being that most of the great thinkers of history would be considered right leaning by modern American standards, but being an “academic” doesn’t automatically make you left wing people such as Jordan Peterson have spoken out against academia for trying to be too blatantly biased

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Anonymous #1 16w

So while I may have graduated college, people get excluded from graduate school etc for not being left wing for their programs, and that makes a resentment of the institution, especially as they move away from merit based advancement towards a DEI model. Which is why Trump has threatened funding, not for the disdain of higher education, but because of the abandonment of merit based education.

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Anonymous OP 16w

What are the great thinkers that would be considered right leaning by modern American standards? I personally find it hard to believe that many supposed “great thinkers” would fall into this category considering how far right American politics have shifted in general. The modern American left is almost centrist while the modern American right is pretty extremist by historical standards.

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Anonymous OP 16w

And I’d agree, being an academic doesn’t automatically mean that you’re left wing, but most academics are left wing as polls like the one you shared seem to show.

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Anonymous #1 16w

And could you speak to what specific aspects of academia you find too biased?

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Anonymous #1 16w

To answer your second point, do you have any sources or data to back up the claim that people get excluded from graduate programs for not being left leaning enough?

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Anonymous #1 16w

And DEI gets thrown around a lot, that term and affirmative action are very useful buzzwords but in reality they’re pretty misunderstood. Historically white students have been admitted over non white students, despite frequently being less qualified. To correct for this, many universities try to attract minority groups through affirmative action programs. However there’s little proof to support the idea that these students or employees aren’t tested on their merits as well.

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Anonymous #1 16w

If you’re making the claim that these minority students aren’t qualified or aren’t able to keep up with their peers, do you have any information to back it up?

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Anonymous #1 16w

And lastly, while DEI may play some part in trumps attacks on higher education, there is certainly personal disdain there and a desire for revenge. Donald trump is a vengeful person who attacks people and institutions who he feels have wronged him, that’s a pretty undeniable fact. Look at his attacks of the AP, law firms that have represented clients opposed to him, or past employees who he feels have been disloyal. To claim he’s not personally vengeful seems dishonest

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Anonymous #1 16w

Pretty much every area from what I’ve witnessed but specifically the humanities, even professors that are right leaning or central don’t feel comfortable talking out, and that professors pay attention to who writes what to figure out their leanings. Also I mean specifically how places like Harvard would prioritize meeting quotas, for instance they were found out to have been accepting black students with lower scores over Asian and white students. Not everything has a study done on it

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Anonymous #1 16w

Some things specifically bias in academia are just known but not studied

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Anonymous #1 16w

It would be like me asking you if you have a source to back up the claim that Donald Trump is vengeful even though the record shows that be does believe in getting back at people he is pretty Charitable, like how he doesn’t take too many things personally, for instance not many people notice that he may have spats with a lot of those in the media, he still gives them interviews etc, in the past he let RFK Jr borrow his helicopter while he was being sued by RFK Jr. but thats besides the point

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Anonymous OP 16w

Also I never made the claim he wasn’t vengeful

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Anonymous #1 16w

And while higher education has had a bias against Trump nothing specifically done to him, that wouldn’t mean he has a disdain for higher education as a principle. He graduated from college himself.

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Anonymous OP 16w

I’m just saying if you’re making bold claims there should be something you can point to to back them up, a lot of what you’ve said is just a guess or an opinion.

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Anonymous OP 16w

I’m in grad school myself and Ive never seen anyone afraid to speak conservative viewpoints, the only things my professors or colleges are afraid to speak about is anything critical of Israel, that will in fact get you in trouble as we’ve seen many times.

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Anonymous OP 16w

How do you know these facts about accepting black students with lower scores? And if that’s true, it still makes sense. White students have historically been admitted over black students regardless of score. Now maybe some black students are over admitted despite having lower scores. That’s a corrective measure and it’s not unfair in the slightest if you consider our countries history.

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Anonymous #1 16w

Okay you can go back to the image I sent of the exit polls you can see the higher and higher in education the more liberal it gets, you can also tell because I believe teacher unions donated 90% to Democrat campaigns, other than that theres no explicit way to prove it other than dozens of Professors saying its the case.

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Anonymous OP 16w

Such as? What are the things that are so biased? I’m in academia, I’d love to hear some examples

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Anonymous OP 16w

I can absolutely prove that he is a vengeful person through countless examples. And he’s not “charitable” for talking to press outlets that he disagrees with, that is simply the bare minimum for any president of the democratic United States of America.

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Anonymous #1 16w

I think there’s an important difference between bias and justified cynicism. Trump has repeatedly attacked academic institutions, academics, and the department of education dictation. He won with the support of uneducated voters while his loudest critics are usually well educated. It is in his best interest to attack and weaken educational institutions, which is exactly why he’s doing that.

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Anonymous #1 16w

That’s also what every other authoritarian has done throughout history; attack educational institutions and restrict free speech.

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Anonymous #1 16w

As far as the Harvard thing goes I believe some students sued over it, as well as they admitted it, but I can find out specifically, but I am busy right now. And when I said things are biased I meant specifically the grading practices, and the level of comfortability of some professors/students where some professors are even comfortable admitting they are open communists

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Anonymous #1 16w

Dude can you wait your turn to reply?? That shit is so aggravating.

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Anonymous OP 16w

Aye my bad bro I like to respond to all your points then let you respond to all of mine. I was answering all of your points because you had been quiet for a min and I didn’t see your new responses cause I was typing and it didn’t refresh. No disrespect

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Anonymous #1 16w

He has targeted the DOE and higher education for different reasons the DOE because students are failing and falling behind, we’ve dropped from 1st to 27th, and it is mainly a department of Administrators and he would like that money spent directly to students, he’s attacking Harvard for DEI practices like the admissions, and for blatant antisemitism. That doesn’t make a president or any other law maker that tries to ensure fair practices in schooling authoritarian.

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Anonymous #1 16w

It’s fine its just a personal thing that aggravates me a lot lol

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Anonymous OP 16w

I get the frustration, wasn’t my intention tho 👍

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Anonymous #1 16w

I get it, its just that when trying to reply I get hit with new stuff to reply to and I try to compact my answers as much as possible, but heres a section from wikipedia that briefly sums up what the main findings were, also if you say that academia doesn’t have a liberal bias, why do you believe they’ve wronged Trump enough for him to seek revenge. Lastly president Biden was often rude to the press and rarely had them in the oval office, I think President Trump has had them in there every day

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Anonymous #1 16w

So it’s a little more than just charitability it’s a generous gesture to allow them in there even when he doesn’t like some of them. Heres the image though

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Anonymous OP 16w

Ok I think we should try to find the point on this liberal bias in education thing cause I feel like we’re coming at the same truth from different sides. There are more liberals in higher education, that’s the fact. My take on it is that there are more liberals in higher education because higher education lets one see how liberal policies are better for America. 2 examples. 1. Climate change. Any educated scientist knows human caused climate change is real, which would cause them to lean left.

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Anonymous #1 16w

2. Vaccines. Any highly educated scientist can tell you that Covid vaccines are very safe and effective as far as vaccines go. This would again put them firmly on the liberal side of things. Many other such examples but these are the two that came to mind

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Anonymous #1 16w

And yes students are falling behind. In response trump has cut the educational research programs that study how educational programs affect learning outcomes, as well as effectively shuttering the doe. How is there any conceivable way that those moves would help with that problem?

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Anonymous OP 16w

Perhaps there is some shred of believability that trump is truly looking out for antisemitism although I find that highly unlikely given the fact that trump has invited nick Fuentes to Mara lago and had elon musk as his second hand man. Two people who are obviously enemies to Jewish people.

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Anonymous #1 16w

What does make his maneuvers authoritarian in my book is the removal of research grants on ideological grounds. Against established science trump has systematically targeted programs meant to combat global warming. This is not something democratic presidents in free societies do. When colleges have to bow to the ideological whims of the president, that’s authoritarianism

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Anonymous #1 16w

Biden was a historically bad public speaker who struggled with a stutter, trump is an excellent speaker. Choosing how often to speak to the press is up to any given president. However excluding news agencies that you personally disagree with (such as the AP) is unprecedented

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Anonymous #1 16w

And I appreciate you sending that article snippet but that is the personal testimony of the person who brought the lawsuit, not established fact.

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Anonymous #1 16w

Climate change is one of the most egregious forms of bias in education where (through anecdotal evidence) Professors have said their papers won’t get published if they challenge the mainstream narrative, for instance since the 50’s they have said that the globe would get apocalyptic levels of heat, but since around 1860s its only risen I think 2 degrees. Trump is pro-Vaccine and gets a lot of flak from his base about that. If students are failing then the status quo can’t be maintained.

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Anonymous #1 16w

Like I said cutting the DOE would allow for the billions of dollars that goes to administrators and salaries to go to schools directly so each region can learn differently because people in DC don’t know how people in Montana works etc. also he attempted a good faith dinner with Ye, who brought Nick Fuentes and hasn’t since met with him, Fuentes even thinks Trump is not harsh enough on Jews and immigration etc but Trump has said “neonazis and white supremacists should be condemned totally”

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Anonymous #1 16w

If the President takes steps to make sure that schools (which we give billions to) are working in accordance with the law that is not authoritarian, otherwise Eisenhower would be an authoritarian for desegregation of schools, it is their job as head of the executive branch to execute the law.

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Anonymous #1 16w

Thats not a personal statement its his findings after being given access to files of applications from Harvard University, also Joe Biden didn’t have a stutter until recently because he claims to have overcome it in his youth, as we know now because of Jake Tappers book “original sin” there was an obvious coverup of Bidens mental health and it is an undisputed fact now, so that may be why he didn’t talk to press often

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Anonymous OP 16w

It is true that sometimes new science is not welcomed when it contradicts established science. However it’s not debatable that human caused climate change is destroying ecosystems and has the potential to cause mass extinctions and human displacement. Trump and his administration are climate change deniers and have gone to great lengths to ban efforts to prevent harm that will/has come from climate change.

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Anonymous #1 16w

Changes of fractions of degrees across the entire planet can and do have dire consequences. You can see them in the majority of ecosystems on earth.

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Anonymous #1 16w

Trump may be personally pro vaccine because he wants to stay alive but his administration is not. He chose a literal antivaxer to lead the department of health. That antivaxer, RFK jr, recently claimed that healthy pregnant woman should not get the Covid vaccine. That is in direct opposition to established science on the topic; pregnant women are at a very high risk of having serious illness from Covid

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Anonymous #1 16w

Is there any credible argument that gutting the department of education will somehow help students? That’s akin to saying “my car has a persistent oil leak so I’m going to rip out the engine and replace it with a fish tank.” Sure it’s different, but is there any reason it would be better than a leaky engine? No.

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Anonymous #1 16w

A good faith dinner with another neonazi? That’s not a great defense

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Anonymous #1 16w

Yet he doesn’t condemn neoNazis totally. He failed to condem neonazis in charlotte and he failed to criticize elon musk for doing a Nazi salute on stage. He is not serious about preventing antisemitism

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Anonymous OP 16w

Desegregation follows Supreme Court decisions. Climate change denialism is a whim of unserious politicians and oil giants. These are not the same.

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Anonymous #1 16w

And I don’t condone Biden hiding his mental condition, I think that was highly irresponsible and against the best interests of the nation. However he has a right to hold or not hold press conferences. What a president can’t (or shouldn’t) do is handpick what news outlets cover them, which is what trump was trying to do

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Anonymous #1 16w

2 degrees over nearly 200 years is not extreme and is not destroying ecosystem, there no evidence to determine what impact anyone does in the next hundred years, and it’s essentially guess work. Trump seems interested in clean energy like nuclear, and wind however but is also concerned about the hazards they may cause, like windmills killing birds, and also wants to clean the forests to reduce chance of fire like they do in European countries. So to say he doesn’t believe is just wrong

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Anonymous #1 16w

There’s been no long term studies of the effects of the covid vaccine and I’m pretty sure Pfizer had to admit that they even mislead about how many people had heart attacks do to it, as for RFK Jr he has himself said he is not anti vaxx and all of his children followed the recommended vaccine schedule, but he does see some concern about the rapid rate the vaccines are given, which Trump even said during the 2016 campaign, and former brain surgeon Ben Carson agreed with him.

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Anonymous #1 16w

A more apt comparison would be I put vodka in my engine and my car runs weird but it still runs just worse. The credible argument is that before the DOE was made in the Carter administration we were 1 in education in the world and since then kids have become more illiterate and more innumerate and we’ve sunken to about 27th in the world, because you cant standardize learning for children of an entire nation because everyone learns differently

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Anonymous #1 16w

He had a good faith dinner with Ye in 2022 because he had hoped to hear him out and was greeted with extra guests who asked him to not run and endorse Ye and be his VP he obviously wouldn’t and at the time Ye hadn’t yet fully been a neonazi and I don’t think he quite knew who Fuentes was. The quote I gave you of Trump condemning neonazis was actually from the statement at Charlottesville which personally is just very annoying that you don’t know that by now

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Anonymous #1 16w

Even on snopes it says that Trump did not call neonazis very fine people he said “you have very fine people… and im not talking about the neonazis and white supremacists, they should be condemned totally, but you have very fine people on both sides” Trump isn’t challenging schools for believing in climate change, he’s challenging them for their obvious racism in their acceptance policies, where they prioritize race over merit, which is against the law, he has told them to comply and accept…

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Anonymous #1 16w

Without discrimination of race. He has consistently said “whether black or white we all bleed the same blood and worship the same God” and has said “bigotry and hatred have no place in this country” as well as denouncing David Duke, and saying white supremacists are you”no supporters of his” Elon has said the emotions got the better of him and he made the “throw my heart to the crowd” with a lot of passion, a lot of politicians have been on camera doing this its called a faux pas for a reason.

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Anonymous #1 16w

Lastly, exactly what im saying is that Trump doesn’t hand pick which press are let into the press briefing room (which Obama actually banned some press) he picks which ones (sort of) he allows into the oval office which is not a right guaranteed to the press, I say sort of because they have laid out the criteria for being let into the oval office, but they let any network with credentials in, even ones that don’t cover him in the best light he just doesn’t take their questions.

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