Anonymous #1 1d

Huh, wdym

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Anonymous #1 1d

The USA has a strong history of systemic racism, but its ethnic diversity means that people are familiar with those of other ethnicities and generally know how to behave around them. In China and other very ethnically uniform countries, they are super fuckin weird to people who look ethnically “different”

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Anonymous #1 1d

Like it’s gotta be bait if your claim is that *China* of all countries is the least racist. At least go for like, idk Bolivia or something.

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Anonymous #1 1d

“Ethnic diversity” but we still live in a settler colonial state founded on the genocide of the indigenous population and chattel slavery of black Americans. It still is a white ethnostate and is the biggest threat to lives of the global south that are notably non-white. What’s anti racist about bombing black and brown civilians?

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Anonymous #1 1d

Idk if you read the prompt, but it says “out of this list which is the least racist”

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Anonymous #1 1d

And generally you know about how much racism is in the USA because A. You live here, and B. We talk about it. There’s some countries where racism is so normalized that they aren’t having the conversations we are about the need to end racism.

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Anonymous #1 1d

Racism is so normalized here that we still whitewash and normalize the white settler nature and claim to be democratic

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Anonymous OP 1d

Ah I didn’t read that caption. I mean the easy answer is that Israel has the most systemic racism (though it’s more religiously based than “racial.) Thay is followed by the USA. In Japan and China, the average person is the weirdest about black and brown people. India probably has more everyday racism but less systemic racism than the USA.

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Anonymous #1 1d

The reality is that you only have systemic racism in countries with a significant historical ethnic minority to be racist to. Japan doesn’t have a major black ethnic group to be racist towards. They did it instead to the Ainu to near-extinction, and focus their modern racism towards Zainichi Koreans and Japanese Brazilians. It’s hard to match the granularity of Japanese xenophobia.

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Anonymous OP 1d

China regularly has ads for skin whitening cream, because they think lighter skin is more beautiful. You think this is only an American problem?

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Anonymous #1 1d

No obv racism isn’t exclusive to the US but again this poll chose the US out of all the options when the US by far destroys the most non-white lives globally. It’s the most racist nation bc it was literally found on racism and continues to perpetuate the most racist violence globally

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Anonymous OP 1d

Correct, we do live in a settler colonial state founded on genocide and slavery. Do you think that’s unique to America? My point is that while America has created systemic societal barriers to ethnic minorities, we have as a society worked to confront racism and acknowledge it as something wrong. China and Japan, not so much. And for that matter, I would say Israel is currently worse than the USA in terms of systemic racism.

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Anonymous #1 1d

No, did I state that? I’m simply stating that out of the options it’s the most racist like holy shit how many times do I have to say

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Anonymous #1 1d

Israel only exists bc of the US, the US is the blueprint for Israel… so yeah I’m gonna call the source the most racist

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Anonymous OP 1d

I suppose it depends on what you would consider to mean “most racist.” I would consider it to be a country where the average person holds more racial prejudice and racist beliefs.

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Anonymous #1 1d

It’s not about individuals beliefs, it’s about the history, current events and material conditions

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Anonymous #1 1d

Also I think attempting to define the externalization of capitalist exploitation and imperialist violence purely in the lens of “white” and “non-white” is kind of a dilution of the nature of the violence itself. Yes racism plays an important role, it is used to cover up the suffering of the exploited people, but resource extraction tends to be opportunistic.

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Anonymous OP 1d

Israel was founded without much U.S. involvement. British territory, and Zionism was founded mostly by European benefactors. Only really got close to the U.S. in the 60s after their diplomatic dependence on France broke down. Yes the USA helped inform the concept of settler colonialism which created Israel, but that’s pretty indirect. South Africa and Argentina I’d argue were more influential.

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Anonymous OP 1d

Okay so we just have different working definitions for what “most racist” means. I consider it to be “if you visited this place as a brown person, you’d experience the most racism”

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Anonymous #1 1d

And we’re only a settler colony because of the UK. It’s very important to remember that the American revolution was the first decolonial movement in the world.

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Anonymous #3 1d

Now that’s funny

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Anonymous justinian 1d

So tired of all this whitewashing of imperialism and settler colonialism

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Anonymous #3 1d

How do Americans take racism seriously, is this a joke

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Anonymous #1 1d

I’m talking about Israel today, not the founding. It would have been liberated if it weren’t for the US

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Anonymous OP 1d

I’m tired of people comparing China to the USA, as if there is a comparison. China is overrated, their demographic decline is ongoing and their population estimates are greatly inflated. It smacks to me of wishful thinking. If anybody were going to be the next big empire, it would probably be India anyways.

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Anonymous OP 1d

What do you think “woke” is? Antiracism is a major force in US politics, which is more than can be said for the Han nationalists in the CCP.

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Anonymous #3 1d

Ur right, China is a million times better in almost every metric. There is no comparison. But if you read the post, it’s literally asking you to compare the countries 🤦‍♀️

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Anonymous #3 1d

We’re not speaking of empires but racism..

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Anonymous #3 1d

You mean the term made by black Americans that almost all of America mocks, including the “leftists”?

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Anonymous OP 1d

🤣🤣🤣🤣 you remind me of that north korea glazer who was here a few weeks ago

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Anonymous #3 1d

Yeah we’re called communists, silly. Sorry we don’t glaze your white ethno state

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Anonymous #3 1d

China isn’t as bad as North Korea, sure, but it still sucks. Political speech is banned, and oligarchs control the government. At least here we have the right to complain and remove the dominant political party from power peacefully.

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Anonymous #3 1d

The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence, isn’t it?

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Anonymous #3 1d

Yes a lot greener in China

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Anonymous OP 1d

Wait, are you actually the same person? What do you think about North Korea

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Anonymous #3 1d

There’s not only one person so I don’t know which same person you’re referring to

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Anonymous OP 1d

That’s what people said about the Soviet Union in the 60s. It wasn’t true then either

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Anonymous #3 1d

God the Feds need to give you better talking points

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Anonymous OP 1d

That’s not relevant right now. What’s your opinion on North Korea?

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Anonymous #3 1d

You asked if I’m the same person? I have no idea who you’re referring to what lmao. I’m answering your question And what do you think a communist thinks about North Korea, come on. Catch up

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Anonymous OP 1d

I assume, on the evidence, they’d recognize that North Korea sucks. Most communists agree that the Soviet Union sucked, and North Korea has all of the problems of the Soviet Union while being a fraction of its size.

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Anonymous #3 1d

Whether or not you’re the same person doesn’t matter. I’m wondering what your opinion is.

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Anonymous #3 1d

Communists support communist countries, are you dense You’re talking about liberals or anarchists. Not communists

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Anonymous OP 1d

So you like North Korea, then? You support North Korea?

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Anonymous #3 1d

I have the mainstream communist opinion on a communist country. There’s nothing to freak over

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Anonymous OP 1d

I don’t think support for North Korea is mainstream, even among communists 🤣🤣🤣🤣

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Anonymous #3 1d

Ofc I support a communist country, as a communist, that the US still attempts to genocide. The better question is why don’t YOU 🤔

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Anonymous OP 1d

Communists who support North Korea are really no better than conservatives who like Russia because they claim to be Christian.

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Anonymous #3 1d

Communists aren’t mainstream. Talk to actual communists and they’re not going to have your racist reactionary view on North Korea like you do. They’re gonna have a Marxist perspective

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Anonymous #3 1d

God you don’t know a thing about the DPRK or the Cold War. Do you

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Anonymous #3 1d

North Korea has multi-generational concentration camps for political prisoners, and their government tells them that Kim Jong-Un has invented everything that’s good. It’s 1984 in real life.

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Anonymous OP 1d

Given that you support North Korea, do you?

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Anonymous #3 1d

Confirmed Fed. You didn’t even try to be original

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Anonymous #3 1d

Of course I do. I actually have studied Korean history extensively. I don’t just blindly accept the racist US narrative like you racist ass libs do

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Anonymous OP 1d

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Matey, we can all tell you’re a CCP op. Nobody who’s in their right mind supports North Korea. It’s like saying Taiwan is Chinese. Go ask your boss why there are upper class people in a classless socirty

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Anonymous #3 1d

Bro doesn’t even know the correct initials for the party that he’s been prompted to hate by the most violent modern country smh

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Anonymous OP 1d

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

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Anonymous OP 1d

Any real marxist outside China denounces North Korea with all of their might, as an example of a failed marxist pseudo-state. Most non-Chinese Marxists don’t even recognize the CCP as Marxist.

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Anonymous #3 1d

You wouldn’t know a real Marxist even if they smacked in you in the face. Bro check your handbook again. You keep using the wrong acronym

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Anonymous OP 1d

Oh, right, the ROC. The legitimate government of China, currently situated on Taiwan.

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Anonymous #3 1d

Bro you can’t even google? I’m not referring to the country, I’m referring to the communist party of China….

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Anonymous OP 1d

The CCP?

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Anonymous #3 1d

It’s not that I can’t google, it’s that I don’t care to.

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Anonymous #3 1d

COMMUNIST PARTY of CHINA would be the CPC… look at the first letter of each word

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Anonymous OP 1d

I’ve never seen it spelled that way. It may be more technically accurate, but it doesn’t gloss well.

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Anonymous #3 1d

Yeah when someone uses “CCP” that’s how you know they don’t know shit about what they’re talking about just an fyi

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Anonymous OP 1d

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

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Anonymous #3 1d

Exactly

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Anonymous OP 1d

Exactly!

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Anonymous #3 1d

I would not call the American Revolution decolonial. It was a settler colony seeking independence from the metropole so it could continue settler colonizing unimpeded. The USA is closer to Rhodesia in terms of its origins than it is to India or Ireland.

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Anonymous OP 1d

Oh mein gott bro. You don’t have to defend every shitass government that claims to be communist. It’s not hard to say “the Kims betrayed the original values of juche by converting North Korea into a monarchy.” That’s what Hwang Jang-yop, an influential North Korean who later defected says. Like bro are you gonna defend the Khmer Rouge too? Can anyone just claim to be communist and you support them? Do you support the word communism or do you actually value humanity.

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Anonymous #1 1d

This is like the mfs who support fucking Pinochet because “well he’s against communism.” Maybe actually base your opinions on whether a government is fucking awful or not and not on “well they call themselves communist”

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Anonymous #1 1d

No fucking wonder you think racism doesn’t exist in China. You’d glaze them no matter what.

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Anonymous #1 1d

People who defend a government no matter what based solely on what ideology they claim to uphold and not on the actions of that government are extraordinarily dangerous to humanity. Thats the Americans who massacred innocent Vietnamese villagers in the name of freedom. That’s the Indonesians who slaughtered hundreds of thousands of communists in the name of order. That’s the Cambodians who operated the killing fields.

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Anonymous #1 1d

India with less systemic racism? What about the caste system?

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Anonymous OP 1d

The US wasn’t even the first country to recognize Israel nor did they support them during their war for independence. That was the USSR

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Anonymous OP 1d

You can’t talk about „well Israel wouldn’t exist without the US“ and then NOT talk about the founding. Because it absolutely would‘ve existed without the US

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Anonymous #4 1d

Yeah. I don’t think a lot of people in the west know about it, but it’s pretty much the same thing. I read a book about India during the Emergency (the 70s dictatorship) by an Indian author, and his descriptions of the caste system and the treatment of Chamaars (the tanner caste) really sounds like Jim Crow crossed with some of the worst torture of Slavery

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Anonymous OP 1d

I feel like it’s a bit hypocritical to discuss genocide of indigenous populations and slavery and then act as though that makes China less racist. Bcs y’know. They did that exact thing. China‘s wars are quite brutal too. Yes there’s less of them but keep on mind during their war with Vietnam killed up to 100 000 civilians… within 27 days.

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Anonymous OP 1d

Which metrics?

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Anonymous OP 1d

That’s ok, you make up for it by glazing the han Chinese ethnostate

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Anonymous #4 1d

Government debt🤣🤣🤣 they siphon it off to their states so it doesn’t look as bad as it is. Ironically, we have less of a debt crisis than China does. In the USA, it’s illegal for states to go into debt.

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Anonymous #3 1d

Lmao fair enough with the debt 😂 although China is still in the top 20 worldwide in terms of debt to gdp ratio

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Anonymous #4 1d

I would consider the caste system to be a separate form of bigotry than racism, as the different castes aren’t considered different ethnicities, though ethnicity can play a role.

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Anonymous #1 1d

But I can see why someone would want to call that systemic racism. It’s not really a fundamentally different concept, even down to it being inherited.

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Anonymous #1 1d

I see where you’re coming from, but at the same time, is a class system based on heritage where you‘re considered to be subhuman because of your parents very fundamentally different from racism? It’s not different races the way it is in the US, but I think it still counts. I believe the UN has also condemned it as a form of racism is the thing

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Anonymous #1 1d

Oh yeah definitely!

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Anonymous #1 1d

Oh ffs, enough of this idealist shit. Look at history thru a materialist lens! Stop using sources only funded by the US government. Be a free thinker, research!! Have you ever stopped to think why juche was created??? Hmm I wonder what happened to them and what is still happening to them 🤔🤔

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Anonymous #4 1d

Yeah I think that was something really good for you to point out because I hadn’t thought about the caste system when I made that comment. If anything, America’s history of racism basically originated by trying to turn race into a caste category.

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Anonymous #1 1d

Maybe actually base your opinions instead of blindly believing the slop the American gov feeds you…. Have you heard of something called the Cold War? Like holy shit

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Anonymous OP 1d

Bro you’re the one defending one of the worst dictatorships on the planet because “well they call themselves communist.” And every dictatorship originates for a reason. That’s how linear time works.

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Anonymous #1 1d

I never said it doesn’t exist in China, you are dense as shit. For the millionth time it says, “of these 5 options, which is the LEAST racist”

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Anonymous #1 1d

And again, using Juche as your justification when one of the founders of Juche has said that the Kims opportunistically betrayed its values to cement their own power. What’s communist about hereditary monarchy?

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Anonymous #1 1d

Where tf do I defend a government as if it’s perfect and doesn’t need to be critiqued, yalls reading comprehension sucks ass

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Anonymous #1 1d

I mean, Christianity also sought to be basically communist, and then devolved into dictatorships (monarchies, Roman imperialism) when it was exposed to the temptations of state power. It’s a pretty common pattern, and I think everybody would agree that medieval feudal states did not adhere to the Christian principle of “love your neighbor”.

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Anonymous #1 1d

“Worst dictatorships on the planet” according to who? What are your sources? You can’t just blindly repeat and believes what the us gov says about their political enemies, I hope you realize that Do you even know what a dictatorship of the proletariat means

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Anonymous #1 1d

Bruh what power, they don’t even rule the country like pls do basic research pls 😭 When the US forces them into isolation, what else are they supposed to fucking do like genuinely

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Anonymous OP 1d

I’m sorry that I get my sources from human rights watch and not i<3stalin123 on TikTok.

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Anonymous OP 1d

So why can’t their citizens freely travel to China or Russia then?

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Anonymous #1 1d

I get my information from primary sources and you get your sources from the US government solely, like are you good

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Anonymous OP 1d

“Everything that criticizes North Korea is from the U.S. government” Not fundamentally different from “Everything that criticizes the USA is communist propaganda”

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Anonymous OP 1d

> dictatorship of the proletariat > Princeps Civitatus (first citizen, a title taken by Roman emperors) > King of the French (style of the French monarchs used to emphasize their nationalist origin) tfw you’re a dictator but want to pretend you’re popular

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Anonymous #1 1d

Your mind is gonna be blown when you learn that governments which oppose each other can BOTH be bad in different ways.

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Anonymous OP 1d

I get my information primarily from testimonies by North Korean defectors. That’s also a primary source.

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Anonymous #1 1d

Well yeah idk if you’ve heard of this little thing called the Cold War? It was kinda spearheaded by the us government. The more you know Every talking point presented here does in fact originate from US government funded sources soooo. Do you want me to ignore reality or

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Anonymous #1 1d

Your mind is gonna be blown when you discover historical materialism and the Cold War

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Anonymous #3 1d

So just the defectors that align with the us narrative? How convenient!

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Anonymous OP 1d

What are ur primary sources?

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Anonymous OP 1d

“Authoritarianism is bad even when it’s a country opposed to the USA” “Heh, well clearly you haven’t heard of the Cold War” Bro what

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Anonymous #1 1d

When you use the term ‘authoritarianism’ that’s how I know you know absolutely nothing about what you’re talking about or the Cold War. And yeah the Cold War? The whole reason we think North Korea is this cartoonishly evil country? Do you know nothing about the first major “conflict” of the Cold War, the Korean war?

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Anonymous OP 23h

The South Korean government was monstrously authoritarian until the 1980s. Committed even more atrocities in that war than the north did. Almost like you don’t need to pick a dictatorship to stan.

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Anonymous #1 23h

Also I’d like to hear those “primary sources” you claim to follow.

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Anonymous #1 23h

Also if North Korea is so cool and fine and all this is American propaganda, why doesn’t North Korea let its citizens travel abroad? China, Russia, Belarus, Laos, Vietnam, Cuba, Nicaragua, Venezuela, Mongolia. There’s plenty of countries not aligned with the USA. Cuba is a state heavily targeted by the USA, but their citizens are provided internet access by the government. Wouldn’t letting North Koreans communicate abroad mean the truth could be spread?

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