Anonymous moderatemonkey 31w

During the election that seemed to be most of the leftist talking points

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Anonymous #2 31w

you’re blaming voters for the failure of a political party to do one of its primary functions

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Anonymous _orangutan 31w

Why can’t it be both? I wasn’t a fan of Kamala, but I voted for her because I knew having the rapist, pedophile, felon, twice impeached, incompetent moron would be far worse overall for the country. We knew from his first term exactly what we would get, and yet, people stayed home.

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Anonymous #2 31w

why would it be both? voters wield limited to no power over federal elections. the political parties wield direct power over their campaigns. if your campaign fails to mobilize the voters that you need to win, then that is on you, never the voter

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Anonymous #2 31w

mind you, if the Democratic party lost promised something that wasn’t a continuation of the previous administration, maybe they would have won. unfortunately that requires Democrats to run on something, and for their supporters to hold the party accountable, not be appeased just because a representative has a (D) behind their name

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Anonymous _orangutan 31w

We can be mad at the DNC and those who didn’t vote Dem I sure am

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Anonymous #4 31w

and you’re wasting your breath if you’re upset at those who do not wield power. end of discussion

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Anonymous _orangutan 31w

You get to live with the consequences of an apathetic voting base. We all do. No vote, no say. If you’re waiting for the perfect candidate, they ain’t coming

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Anonymous _orangutan 31w

Not voting with the Democratic Party because they do not align with your values is great when trying to make change happen in the future, but at the same time you have to also admit that it makes things shittier in the short term

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Anonymous _orangutan 31w

Nope, not end of discussion. I’m upset at the DNC for not being better this go round, but at the end of the day folks should’ve realized that even the DNC is better than MAGA I don’t control either decisions, but we’ll all have to live w/the consequences of both

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Anonymous OP 31w

Yes, exactly. And not everyone wants crappiness in the short or long-term

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Anonymous #2 31w

i did vote, just not for the Democratic party. even if i did vote for the Democratic party, Democrats have made it abundantly clear that they do not want progressive input. your phrase should be ‘vote or no vote, no say’

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Anonymous OP 31w

no i don’t, because my vote for the Democratic party in SC would not have impacted their results at all. voters do not wield power unless they live in 7/50 states

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Anonymous _orangutan 31w

The rhetoric of “dont vote kamala if she doesn’t allign with all your values” can and does impact votes where they matter

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Anonymous _orangutan 31w

Only 1 of the 2 major parties will win, a large enough group advocating for people to not vote for one/vote for the 3rd option can have impacts on future elections and candidates. But it also allows the worse of the original 2 parties to win

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Anonymous OP 31w

so does promising that we’ll have ‘the most lethal fighting force’ and ‘israel has a right to defend itself’. i think that those had more influence over her performance than a few voters

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Anonymous _orangutan 31w

Even that was more preferable than Trump, who’s doing all that and then some

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Anonymous _orangutan 31w

Yes, if you read the post you are commenting on that is what it says I dont think its a good thing, but it’s undeniably better that what the current administration has been doing and for that reason I wish more people voted for kamala

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Anonymous _orangutan 31w

I live in super gerrymandered, mini-Texas, Ohio. My votes will not count now. It won’t stop me from trying.

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Anonymous OP 31w

Leftist definitely said they would withhold their votes and I think many did. But we can’t simultaneously say that their vote lost us the election and also say that their votes wouldn’t have mattered (which is true). We wouldn’t have won any meaningful states with the leftist vote anyways. A populist is gonna populist + incumbent parties around the world lost elections, so it was a perfect storm for Trump to take advantage of ignorant conservatives.

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