Anonymous #1 3w

Can the people voting “no” elaborate?

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Anonymous #2 3w

Is fatphobia not rooted in bigotry as well? Literally hating on someone because of their appearance and your assumptions about their health is wild

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Anonymous #2 3w

Generally speaking we don’t want people to be overweight. That’s something we do want to societally minimize. People who are overweight shouldn’t be treated badly, but it’s still a national health concern. We should not, meanwhile, socially minimize the population of minorities or women or trans people or gay people.

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Anonymous #1 3w

There is bigotry to a degree. Someone being overweight doesn’t mean they are a bad person for instance. But there’s also a large health component to it, which is not a motivating factor in bigotries that focus on inherent unchanging characteristics like the others.

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weight can be a immutable attribute of someone especially women bc of ✨hormones✨ a lot of women cannot physically lose weight no matter what because our hormones play a huge role. we could eat borderline starvation diets and still not lose anything.

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also all the illnesses that have been falsely connected to obesity (due to medical fatphobia) has been debunked by unbiased and fat friendly researchers.

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I think insulting someone based on any characteristics, immutable or mutable, is bad actually. And I’ve heard it’s pretty hard to lose weight if you have PCOS

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Anonymous #2 3w

Are you implying that bigotry towards obese people is motivated by a concern for public health?

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Anonymous #4 3w

Are you saying that for every single disease where obesity is a risk factor, that’s not actually the case?

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the human body is an open system. thermodynamics does not apply here because i can tell that’s where you’re going. we are not simple machines, we are complex biological systems. hormones override thermodynamics because of us being an open system.

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Anonymous #1 3w

yes it has all been debunked by better developed and unbiased studies

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Anonymous #1 3w

I’m saying that that is a partial motivation. It’s not the only motivation. There is a lot of stuff which is just unfair. Disgust, perception of laziness, degrees of racism and sexism, and a lot of societal beauty standards. If it was just about public health concern, we wouldn’t be encouraging women to be super skinny, which can be just as unhealthy as being obese. But there is a legitimate public health reason to want to reduce overweight. There is not for these other bigotries.

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Anonymous #4 3w

Can you show the study that disproves any link between obesity and type 2 diabetes?

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Anonymous #4 3w

Using words like “all” is really fucking up your credibility here

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Anonymous #2 3w

Ah ok I see where you’re coming from. I think most of the insults do come from simple malice though, not any concern for public health

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Anonymous #4 3w

Is there a reason you cropped the rest?

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Anonymous #1 3w

Yeah. Like even if being overweight is unhealthy and often preventable (for the record I am a slightly overweight man), that doesn’t justify treating someone badly for it. Like we don’t treat someone who got skin cancer from not wearing sun protection with malice and vehemence.

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Anonymous #1 3w

💀 lmfao

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Anonymous #2 3w

And part of this is also changing societal perceptions towards a reasonable healthy perspective. Because we right now are not encouraging people to be a healthy weight, we are expecting someone to be unhealthily underweight. Some fat is normal. And we don’t adequately talk about how unhealthy being super underweight is or how unhealthy bodybuilders often are.

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Anonymous #1 3w

this same study says obesity ≠ fatty liver. the two can exist independently of each other

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Anonymous #4 3w

If your point is that there’s more to obesity than just BMI, then I agree, BMI is a very flawed metric. But generally, I think it’s fair to say that obesity can contribute to T2D

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Anonymous #4 3w

Of course. I don’t think anyone is saying that they always go hand in hand. But obesity is a risk factor for these other diseases (like fatty liver disease, but genetics or high blood triglycerides can also contribute)

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Anonymous #1 3w

no i don’t regard it like the other forms of discrimination because it objectively doesn’t have the same past and present severity in impact

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well that’s also not true bc there are medical reasons people gain a lot of weight not due to food intake

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When you say food intake, are you including conditions like Prater-Willi syndrome, where it’s so difficult to stop eating that people literally have to lock up their food? It’s much harder to control your food intake when you produce much more ghrelin (the hormone that signals hunger), it doesn’t drop after eating, and an issue in your hypothalamus means you don’t ever register feeling “full”

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I didn’t say they all did. I’m just wondering if that’s included when people say “food intake”. Brain injuries can affect this part of the brain too, and those are way more common

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Anonymous #1 2w

I’m not really making much of a case besides “insulting or discriminating against people based on various physical characteristics, immutable or mutable, is bad”

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well yeah if you literally don’t eat anything you’d be dead but many disorders cause weight gain not related to excessive calorie intake but things like slow metabolism, water retention, fat redistribution, and insulin resistance

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