Anonymous #1 1d

It’s like they want to make sure they do nothing wrong instead of trying to do something right

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Anonymous OP 1d

Absolutely, although I’d argue that sitting on the sidelines is wrong too. I mean you can tell they’re not serious cause whenever you ask them to justify their actions in terms of the suffering they prevent or don’t prevent they just revert to calling you names related to supporting genocide

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Anonymous #1 1d

100%. It’s also mighty convenient for them that their version of “doing the right thing” requires no effort whatsoever on their part. If they were serious about helping Palestinians, they would be supporting candidates (local, state and fed) who share the same view and voting in primaries

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Mighty convenient that your version of doing the right thing for you is sitting on your ass and letting your neighbors get terrorized by ICE

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As far as I know trump and his allies are the only ones okay with giving them complete immunity and oh, also feeding detainees to alligators. Also, if you really cared about changing anything, you would be actively supporting pro-Palestine leaders on every level and voting in primaries. But you’ll probably just continue to be a keybo warrior about it and do nothing

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I’m literally hispanic and you’re trying to make me out to be some white savior type? Be so fr lmao. Be more active in your community politically and actually try to help your neighbors instead of just being ok with it when the people who literally want to kill my entire family because at least you didn’t vote for them!

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Anonymous OP 1d

Bro it’s like I summoned that mf by describing the exact type of pompous abstainer that I was talking about above 💀

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Anonymous #1 1d

Can’t tell if they deleted all their comments or if they blocked me 💀

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Anonymous OP 1d

why waste breath on deaf ears?

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Anonymous _orangutan 1d

like y’all think voting stops ICE, ignoring that past two and a half decades of bipartisan support for ICE. Democrats won’t even talk about abolishing the damn organization, which you’d think they would if they were serious about curbing the police state. i can’t reason with y’all and y’all would rather continue living in your blue delusion where Democrats aren’t a racist pro-cop party that’s also complicit in genocide

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Anonymous _orangutan 1d

and they’re selling the next generation up the creek (alongside Republicans) by taking money from and passing policies which benefit the fossil fuel and defense sectors. y’all are just complacent and that’s fine ig?

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Anonymous _orangutan 1d

Y’all heard that? Anyway, I’ll be going to my next monthly DSA chapter meeting Saturday the 21st (last one was 9/17 since they skipped October to focus on canvassing) and to my town hall meeting at 6pm on Tuesday.

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Anonymous OP 1d

me when i lie:

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Anonymous _orangutan 1d

It’s really cracking me up how you can be complaining about our deaf ears when you’ve made this same pitch how many times and never been able to acknowledge crucial flaws in your reasoning. Do you really believe ice and the harm caused by them is the same under Biden vs trump simply because they bear the same name? If not, why do you still act like the difference between two bad options is negligible?

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Anonymous #1 1d

no, but i don’t believe that Democrats are going to suddenly act contrary to the past 23 years of their voting record. y’all tell us to vote for them because of harm reduction, they get elected, then policing budgets increase. what harm do Democrats reduce?

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Anonymous _orangutan 1d

Me when I pretend I know strangers online:

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Anonymous OP 1d

me when i’m a raging hypocrite:

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Anonymous _orangutan 1d

So we’re just throwing words around now?

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Anonymous OP 1d

you were pretending to know me, saying i don’t do anything irl. just shut up and assume less

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Anonymous _orangutan 1d

I kinda wish you’d just blocked me tbh then I wouldn’t need to be hearing your annoying bs. Can’t help that like 90% of the people I encounter online who think like you also happen to just be keyboard warriors

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Anonymous OP 1d

block me <3

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Anonymous _orangutan 1d

I ain’t no little bitch 😂

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Anonymous _orangutan 1d

environmental policy? is that where the harm reduction is occurring? biden handed out just as many oil permits as trump 1. labor policy? the man used taft-hartley to send striking rail workers back to work. the genocides? i don’t think anything needs to be said. what harm are we reducing?

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Anonymous OP 1d

of course not! just a schmuck

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Anonymous _orangutan 1d

Haven’t heard anyone under the age of 40 use that as an insult lmfao 😂

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Anonymous OP 1d

our generation doesn’t read and half of y’all were left behind by no child left behind policies that Democrats failed to uproot. of course you have a stunted vocabulary

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Anonymous _orangutan 1d

Zing! Gottem!

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Anonymous _orangutan 1d

Ah yes because “schmuck” happens to be a word used at least once in every literary classic. You’re talking to someone whose minor is in English lit lmfao

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Anonymous OP 1d

half of the classics were written by racists, i doubt they’d use a yiddish word in their writings

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Anonymous _orangutan 1d

Dude, I never said I’d never heard that word before. Just that I’ve never seen anyone younger than 40 use that as an actual insult. Can YOU read?

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Anonymous OP 1d

i don’t have a minor in English literature, so no, probably not

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Anonymous OP 1d

schmuck

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Anonymous _orangutan 1d

Oh I’m so insulted! 😂

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Anonymous _orangutan 1d

Well this is the unfortunately predictable behavior I was talking about. Anyone with eyes and the ability to read can immediately point to several key differences in ice behavior and harm yet you choose to ignore them. How could there be any conversation given that?

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Anonymous #1 1d

i don’t see the $50 billion in spending on a domestic military (ICE) vanishing under a Democratically controlled Congress. do you?

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Anonymous #1 1d

that’s the point i’m trying to make. what Republicans have done, Democrats will maintain. they will absorb the Republican status quo and be effectively no better than Republicans. Harris campaigned on a strong border and Democrats are routinely making concessions to Republican talking points. my Senator elect referred to trans women as “biological males” a strictly Republican position

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Anonymous _orangutan 1d

Can you explain why you choose to focus on things like the operational budget and not any of the more obvious differences in who ice hires, who they arrest, why they arrest them, how they arrest them, where the detainees are taken and how they’re cared for, what type of justice is given to the detainees…etc?

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Anonymous _orangutan 1d

let the records show, i reluctantly voted for the Democratic senator in SC

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Anonymous _orangutan 1d

OP mentioned attending local DSA meetings while steering support into folks who are political opponents to even social democracy

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Anonymous _orangutan 1d

this was in response to abolishing the senate, ICE, prosecuting the “israel” backed genocidaires within our government, demilitarizing the police, and increasing taxes on the 1%. these are policies y’all support, but the people y’all want us to vote for do not. they are in full opposition to them. they have no alternative, and y’all have no demands. the Palestinian movement does

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Anonymous _orangutan 1d

Dude all you can do is talk about how democrats are also bad like everyone here doesn’t already fully know that. We know they’re terrible and close to being as bad as republicans. But no matter how you twist it or how much you dislike it, spineless complacency with a bad system I better than the people who actively make things worse. Unless you can defend the practical utility of abstaining then you are really just complicit in the creation of needless suffering

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Anonymous _orangutan 1d

I don’t like that she said that (then again, I don’t live in SC, I couldn’t have voted for her), but if you see everyone that doesn’t 100% align with your views as political opponents you’re gonna get jack shit done

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Anonymous #1 1d

i’m sorry, but is this nation suddenly not a white supremacist state when Democrats are in office? the American prison-slavery operation is notoriously and intentionally anti-Black, anti-immigrant, and anti-poor, and the difference is in appearance only under Democrats

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Anonymous #1 1d

i never abstained. not on the contested seats. i have personal beef with my county councilmen though, and he runs unopposed as a Republican. i did not vote for him, i abstained

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Anonymous _orangutan 1d

So do you genuinely not know that ice under Obama and Biden almost exclusively detained actual criminals and people actively crossing the border versus trumps ice which detains established Americans often based on skin color alone? Do you just not know or not care or what?

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Anonymous _orangutan 1d

and that’s where third parties can gain a foothold, in local elections. the workers party, of which i organize with, runs and contests these seats that are held and uncontested by Republicans. Democrats do not, and they are throwing what would be relatively competitive elections aside. they focus on national ones whilst yielding next to no gain in national policy

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Anonymous _orangutan 1d

No. Nobody said any of those things. Democrats aren’t perfect and things aren’t perfect when they’re in charge. But everyone knows that all of those things get amplified to the nth degree when republicans are in charge

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Anonymous OP 1d

and what have Democrats done to stop any of this, and why have they maintained Republican policies after each government they control?

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Anonymous #1 1d

And you said below that you reluctantly voted blue in some races which means that you do understand and agree with harm reduction, otherwise you wouldn’t have voted at all. So I don’t know why you’re so insistent on contradicting yourself and acting like harm reduction is entirely unimportant

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