Anonymous #1 16w

Wdym?

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Anonymous #1 16w

Same look where it got us😭

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Anonymous #2 16w

people outside of yikyak are voting good job voting though.

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Anonymous blue__wave 16w

“Good job voting” yeah that’s pretty much all I expected voting for that neolib LOL

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Anonymous #3 16w

Yeah I already knew

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Anonymous blue__wave 16w

yea didnt really do much might not do it again

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Anonymous #2 16w

I mean other people vote idk what your point is?

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Anonymous #1 16w

This how collectively doing something works you also have to do it, ig it sucks when other people don’t but that’s how a democracy works sometimes.

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Anonymous blue__wave 16w

Look bro liberalism failed, as an experiment, it lost when it was put up against fascism this past year, and lost. Idk why people keep clinging to the dems

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Anonymous blue__wave 16w

if they want to earn back my vote theyre welcome to do so its not hard

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Anonymous #2 16w

Chill we lost one election this such a loser mentality.

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Anonymous #2 16w

Didn’t lose in Australia, Canada, or the UK

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Anonymous #1 16w

That’s fine but we’re in a two party system so by not picking the least worst option you’re in a way signing onto the worst option, therefore working against your interest.

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Anonymous #1 16w

And Kamala wasn’t that bad or “the least worst” but even if she was.

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Anonymous blue__wave 16w

one election... to a felon... with the most public bad policy in the world... after he spent 4 years in the white house with the highest disapproval rating ever and fucked up the covid response...

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Anonymous #3 16w

Those parties are labor parties, not American neoliberal parties.

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Anonymous blue__wave 16w

“We lost one election” bro why do dems refuse to evolve and learn

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Anonymous #2 16w

I mean they wouldn’t be an American party bc it’s in a different country but they are liberal parties even if they more widely believe socialized services.

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Anonymous #2 16w

also they act like the right isnt rising in those countries either maybe it didnt happen this election but it wasnt a resounding defeat either

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Anonymous #4 16w

It really came down to the fact Dems need to clean house of all consultants and PR people. One of their biggest strengths was the economy and common sense policies for working class people (easier to cancel subscriptions, insulin price cap) and the elderly ($2 drug price list, Medicare drug price negotiations). They failed terribly on that front

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Anonymous blue__wave 16w

Right, and they won. The neoliberals in America who aren’t more far left lost, and have been losing. What doesn’t make sense there?

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Anonymous #4 16w

Yeah inflation fucked people up I don’t think the election was good but again throwing in the towel bc of one election is a loser mentality.

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Anonymous #3 16w

Wasn’t an inherent issue with Harris imo but she should’ve stopped listening to those consultants and trusted her gut

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Anonymous #5 16w

Wdym Kamala was pro price controls 15$ minimum wage she was a pretty progressive candidate.

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Anonymous #5 16w

I don’t understand the centrist argument dems didn’t lose bc they were centrist they lost bc people thought Biden caused inflation. That’s why Econ was the biggest issue this election and Biden didn’t have a lot of approval with how he handled things.

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Anonymous #2 16w

“They have been losing” again we lost one election. I like how the right one so that means they weren’t far left enough what lol?

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Anonymous #1 16w

The right actually lost serious ground in Australia and Canada IIRC

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Anonymous #1 16w

The right is rising in those count that’s bc incumbent parties all over the world lost and Trump reversed that trend it’s not bc liberal bad it’s bc incumbent bad. Bc people blamed incumbent parties for global inflation.

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Anonymous blue__wave 16w

Not progressive enough. IMO, she needed to harder stance on Big Pharma. But like republicans, democrats been lobbied by Big Pharma like if it was their Sugar Daddy. Look at the numbers if you don’t believe me.

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Anonymous #5 16w

Ok that’s cool that you have your personal belief but that’s not reflected with polling. Unless you have a source on that. Also Biden did cap insulin prices so it’s not like they ignored that issue.

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Anonymous #3 16w

Yeah I agree the PR I think really made Kamala awkward during public speaking vs if she just spoke naturally.

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Anonymous #2 16w

Won lol*

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Anonymous #5 16w

I’m not sure how you have a harder stance on big pharma than “we finally capped the price of insulin for basically everyone, here’s a list of a ton of drugs you now pay $2 for, we’re suing inhaler companies for putting a strap on the inhaler cap and patenting it to extend their patent exclusivity, and we’re going to negotiate with pharma companies on the medicines Medicare pays the most for”

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Anonymous blue__wave 16w

I’m saying this has been a long time coming and is indicative of the fact that the Dems have been pandering to the right for the past twenty years. Notice how when Biden swung to the left he won? Yet the Dems insist of ignoring the left in favor of a losing strategy.

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Anonymous #2 16w

Biden didn’t swing to the left much, but he was pro-labor. That felt like it was absent from Harris’ campaign. There wasn’t nearly as much misinformation in 2020 vs 2024 either

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Anonymous blue__wave 16w

Here is the source: https://www.opensecrets.org/political-action-committees-pacs/industry-detail/H04/2024?

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Anonymous #2 16w

We did swing to the left Kamala was progressive, she was for price controls and a 15$ minimum wage she is progressive. That wasn’t her problem the problem was the average person associated inflation with Biden and that’s reflected in polling. Just bc you wanted her to be more left doesn’t mean that was her problem.

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Anonymous #5 16w

This isn’t proving anything Biden was hard on pharma companies compared to Trump we’re talking about why dems lost this isn’t relevant.

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Anonymous #5 16w

How do you manage to read that page without it asking you to donate? The toolbar at the top blocks the X for the popup😭

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Anonymous #3 16w

Idk how she wasn’t pro labor she wanted raise the minimum wage, end tax on tips, increase tax credits, and increase corporate taxes but ok.

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Anonymous blue__wave 16w

I guess I meant more specifically “pro-union”. Maybe I missed something, but it just felt like Biden had much more support from unions than Harris did

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Anonymous #3 16w

Yeah I agree he did have more of that appeal.

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Anonymous #6 16w

She did better in the swing states where she campaigned with Liz Cheney. That was specifically to win over the people on the right who didn’t agree with J6. She never campaigned with Dick Cheney

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Anonymous #6 16w

Yes, she absolutely shouldn’t have said she wouldn’t have done anything differently, I agree with that part

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Anonymous #6 16w

I don’t think the Dick and Liz Cheney thing mattered. She did have to show that she was different ideally but that kinda hard when your the acting vp. The average person does not care that much about Gaza if we’re talking about electoral strategy.

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Anonymous #3 16w

Bro compared to Kamala’s “most lethal fighting military” campaign, Biden was far more left leaning.

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Anonymous blue__wave 16w

I think Gaza may have been important for Michigan. She should’ve handled that better and met with the community leaders who wanted to meet with her. Is there any study quantifying how many didn’t vote because of Gaza?

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Anonymous blue__wave 16w

It was her problem, and until Dems realize that, they’re going to keep losing

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Anonymous blue__wave 16w

Unless you think continuing to pander to the right is a good idea, but ya know they say the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results so

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Anonymous #2 16w

The policies were progressive. Some of the rhetoric was meh. But for some fucking reason she couldn’t be assed to spell the policies out on her website until early to mid September

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Anonymous #2 16w

She didn’t pander to the right, that wasn’t her problem and that’s not what is reflected in polling that I’ve seen or her policies but if you wanted her to be more left wing that’s cool.

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Anonymous #3 16w

I mean it was an extremely rushed campaign.

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Anonymous blue__wave 16w

She did pander to the right, that’s what the democrat party has been doing for the past twenty years

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Anonymous #2 16w

Ok that’s a cool feeling you have

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Anonymous blue__wave 16w

I’ve seen web devs put out more complex websites in less time. This wasn’t a time issue. They didn’t prioritize it for some reason

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Anonymous blue__wave 16w

It’s not a feeling it’s a fact, if you base your opinions on polling I suggest you look into how polling is conducted and why it’s pretty irrelevant these days. Statistics 101

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Anonymous #2 16w

Please explain how stat 101 shows polling is irrelevant because of its methodology

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Anonymous #3 16w

I don’t have time to explain my entire Stat 101 course rn but for starters, polling is, and has basically always been, based on polling via home phones. How many people in your life right now have a home phone

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Anonymous #3 16w

And even more relevant, what did all the polls say in the 2016 election?

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Anonymous #2 16w

Most polling organizations moved away from random dialing on home phones a while ago. There are apps and focus groups now. YouGov doesn’t do home phones and they manage to be decent. Your stat 101 course was out of date

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Anonymous #3 16w

Maybe it did I just don’t see evidence third party voters changed that much but maybe it made people less likely to vote in general that’s possible.

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Anonymous #2 16w

2016 was largely within the margin of error of predictions but some orgs did realize they needed to adjust their methodology. I guess stat 101 doesn’t cover margin of error?

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Anonymous #3 16w

That’s why I said “for starters,” but you touch on something that makes it even more irrelevant! Who’s downloading these apps? People who already have an opinion, usually a strong one and are looking to share it

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Anonymous #3 16w

But I think in the calculation we also have to consider if she didn’t support Israel what would that do to older voters who 1. Are more likely to vote and 2. Are more likely to support Israel.

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Anonymous #2 16w

And they control for that. Read their methodology paper. Taking stat 101 isn’t going to inform you well enough to make broad claims like this about polling Sincerely, Someone who didn’t take stat 101 because they skipped stat 200 after getting a 5 on AP exams, then aced a handful of 300 and 400 level stat courses

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Anonymous #2 16w

Ok so polling bad and we should just base on your feelings polling was very accurate this election you can cope about it.

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Anonymous #2 16w

You realizing polling institutions take into consideration what you’re saying polling institutions are aware of your stat 101 class criticism. That begs the question if you’re not looking at polling what are you looking at your own feelings?

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Anonymous #2 16w

Polling has limitations but they’re well aware of this, bc ofc they are.

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Anonymous blue__wave 16w

Okay bro, keep pandering to the right, maybe if the dems pander to the right hard enough, they’ll get all the votes they need

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Anonymous blue__wave 16w

I’m actually looking at history more so than polling

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Anonymous #3 16w

Maybe you shouldn’t have skipped stat 101 then

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Anonymous #2 16w

What history?

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Anonymous #2 16w

You can keep repeating that but it doesn’t mean anything bc your just wrong polls in 2024 we’re in there margin of error.

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Anonymous #2 16w

And again Kamala was progressive

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Anonymous #2 16w

Honey I think you missed the part where I skipped the 200-level classes because of my AP scores. I’m a data science major 😭

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