Anonymous parcival 5w

I would love to see your arguments on how increasing wages makes small businesses magically disappear. If you cant pay your employees a living wage, you shouldnt be in business in the first place but lets disregard that for the sake of argument. A higher minimum wage would let people actually have access to spendable money(hopefully at least) which would encourage them to actually spend them at their local businesses

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Anonymous dawn_whale68 5w

Wouldn’t the business just increase the cost to adapt to the higher labor cost? I think it also drive businesses to seek automation which smaller businesses probably wouldn’t have the same ability to pursue. To me it makes more sense to leave it to states and have it gradually increase I don’t have a super strong opinion on it though.

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Anonymous dawn_whale68 5w

I didn’t say it would magically destroy all small businesses. Just that it would hurt them. Small businesses operate on razor thin margins which increases in minimum wage would cut into. So they would either have to raise prices, fire employees, or close. I don’t really care if any of that happens but a lot of people do.

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Anonymous blue__wave 5w

You can talk about hypotheticals all day long but most businesses simply cant afford to just seek automation whenever it wants and increase prices whenever it wants to. Rising wage do not show a decrease in employment in slow businesses per most reports at all

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Anonymous dawn_whale68 5w

I would assume it doesn’t bc it’s done gradually state to state like I’m for. I imagine if you do a sudden broad increase it would. How is that a hypothetical you don’t think large corporation have a greater ability to invest in automation?

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Anonymous blue__wave 5w

Because the question is about small businesses and minimum wage and even in McDonalds or starbucks or whatever theyd have to invest in repair and support for your automated machines where youd invest even more in skilled labor instead of unskilled labor

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Anonymous dawn_whale68 5w

Yes but you would be paying less in labor meaning you’re hiring less people if the labor is more skilled. Otherwise you wouldn’t automate.

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Anonymous dawn_whale68 5w

Regardless it was a yes or no question do larger companies have a greater ability to invest in automation relative to small businesses

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Anonymous blue__wave 5w

Sure man we should not increase wages because of the one condition that they invest in automation and also skilled labor to have marginal benefits over simply increasing wages and run a normal smooth operation. I like that youre arguments are all about not doing anything because the corporations would retaliate instead of passing laws that tax automated jobs to discourage them. We already do that for H1-B and offshore jobs anyway. Either way, in the real world, bottom line is that increasing

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Anonymous dawn_whale68 5w

Wages doesnt increase unemployment

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Anonymous blue__wave 5w

Yes when did I say no larger companies cant invest in automation? We literally have Mark Zuckerburg boasting about misplacing billions of dollars for ai

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Anonymous brattybottom51 5w

I think instead we should prioritize changes to the housing sector and becoming food secure again. Farming in the US imo is getting decadent, so we will need reforms there. Make firms accountable for the strain they put on our electrical grid and put money into our infrastructure. I think those would do more good than just raising the minimum wage. It should raise but it won’t do any good if we don’t fix the above.

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Anonymous brattybottom51 5w

Wait what? Framing in the US is not getting decadent—quite the opposite. See this video for example: https://youtu.be/r5xxTIPKY8s?si=88ojPm8LRfOZycfz

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Anonymous dawn_whale68 5w

Literally no one said that, the topic was does a minimum wage advantage large companies relative to small companies. But ok

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Anonymous dawn_whale68 5w

Bro idk who you’re arguing against I literally said I was fine with min wage increases.

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Anonymous dawn_whale68 5w

You said when you said it was just a hypothetical when it’s clearly true.

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Anonymous blue__wave 5w

“Its not clearly true” they can invest in automation but theyre obviously holding off at the moment because the cost of it right now is higher than a simple model

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Anonymous dawn_whale68 5w

You just gave an example with Facebook did you lie lol?

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Anonymous blue__wave 5w

Did you miss the part where theyre boasting about losing billions of dollars? AI is very obviously in a bubble where theyre pumping as much as they can because theyll be bailed out later.

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Anonymous dawn_whale68 5w

You keep shifting the goal post we’re not talking about if they’re holding off rn we’re talking about if large companies have a relative advantage. I agree it’s nuanced and companies can’t just automate everything.

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Anonymous blue__wave 5w

I am not moving the goalpost, I am telling you that large companies can automate; not in the sectors where their competition is small businesses but amongst themselves like Facebook where they are automating because theyre in a race with each other to pump as much as they can for as much marketable shit they can push until the bubble bursts

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Anonymous #6 5w

That video (which I watched before making my argument) proves my point. Farming is getting decadent because of the financial incentives. Private Equity, Land Speculation, and the financial squeeze on smaller farms make farming worse. When the Agriculture business makes less money on agriculture and more on the financial sector, then yes Farming is getting decadent.

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Anonymous dawn_whale68 5w

Sure that hasn’t been my experience anecdotally I’ve seen automation in large chain restaurants, and grocery stores were they do compete with smaller businesses, but that’s my limited experience.

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