Anonymous _orangutan 23h

You!! You get it!!!

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Anonymous _orangutan 23h

So it’s like “ACAB” but “AMAB”?

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Anonymous OP 23h

yes

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Anonymous _orangutan 23h

Are you a man? Does it include you?

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Anonymous OP 23h

yes

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Anonymous _orangutan 23h

So you’re just self flagellating or how do you right the wrong of your existence?

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Anonymous OP 23h

me when I don’t listen to the points being made

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Anonymous #2 23h

So explain it!!! I am literally asking

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Anonymous OP 23h

Feel like #3 did a pretty good job actually

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Anonymous OP 23h

No you’re not lol you’re trying to find a gotcha

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Anonymous #4 22h

^^^ and Thats the other reason lmao

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Anonymous #4 22h

I just don’t understand feminism from a male perspective. Straight up. Like I don’t know what it means to be feminist as a man except for being smug online. Are you supposed to just internalize some sort of guilt?

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Anonymous OP 22h

“I just don’t understand why if you’re a man, you don’t think women are inferior to you.” Oh. Interesting

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Anonymous #4 22h

Gosh, I’m sure you have interesting perspectives on race as well lmaooo

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Anonymous OP 22h

You’re so moronic lol

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Anonymous OP 22h

It means you believe in achieving equal rights for women.

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Anonymous #3 22h

Don’t they already have that…. I know some states are weird with abortion but like, you’re can’t discriminate against someone based on gender in general, women vote, women have their own money, women can get divorced, what can women not do?

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Anonymous OP 22h

I think you’re just not intellectually equipped to understand these… complex… topics. Perhaps you should go back to insta reels

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Anonymous #3 22h

Yeaahhh I could have told you they were just going to respond with “dont they already have equal rights”

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Anonymous OP 22h

Abortion is a huge deal in this context. But you do know that people can be discriminated against in a way that’s not enshrined in law? Women *are* discriminated against in hiring despite the laws, are in significant danger of sexual assault, are often harassed, and do not receive adequate health care. Also in many religiously conservative communities women are not allowed to make their own decisions, including divorce, despite the laws.

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Anonymous #2 22h

I also assumed such

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Anonymous #2 22h

It’s so funny how there actually is an interesting discussion to be had about the role that misandrist epistemology plays in upholding patriarchal systems, but then OP chose to instead pivot to asinine critiques of feminists, which tells us his actual interest lmao

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Anonymous #4 22h

EXACTLY. There’s a discussion to be had about the patriarchy harming men and about misandry as a thing. None of these people actually Care about that though!

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Anonymous #2 22h

Sometimes you don’t even know the right questions to ask. Think of me as stupid, how would you explain it to a genuinely stupid person?

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Anonymous OP 22h

I wouldn’t, frankly.

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Anonymous #4 22h

(Which is why I didn’t offer my own explanation to you)

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Anonymous #4 22h

Okay. Great convo I’m super convinced now

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Anonymous OP 22h

I know, right? That’s why I used it!

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Anonymous #4 22h

(Bro was so interested in finding a gotcha he forgot to make it look like he was actually open to being educated)

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Anonymous OP 22h

Cry more

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Anonymous #3 19h

Agreed, misandry isn't systemic the way misogyny is. But that doesn't make men's pain fake. It comes from the same system. bell hooks, one of the most important Black feminist thinkers, argued in The Will to Change that patriarchy's first act of violence isn't against women. It's against boys, who get taught to kill off their own feelings to count as men. Women aren't the source of that wound. Patriarchy is.

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Anonymous #6 19h

That's why men's suicide rates, isolation, and never being allowed to ask for help are feminist issues. They come from the same rules that police women. Calling it "misandry" points men at women as the enemy, when the thing actually hurting them is the system feminism is trying to take apart. hooks's whole argument was that men have a stake in ending patriarchy too.

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Anonymous #6 19h

Also look at the toddler comparison. It makes its point by casting women as children: small, harmless, not worth taking seriously. That's misogyny doing the work in the same sentence that's arguing misandry isn't real. You can name a power imbalance without shrinking women to do it. That's the trap hooks traced: patriarchal thinking shows up even in people who believe they're against it.

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Anonymous OP 19h

hey OP, idk if I’m a dumbass but I don’t perceive you to be asking in as bad faith as the rest of this comment section. the “ACAB = AMAB” thing is a little misleading. Whereas all cops are bastards for voluntarily buying into an abusive system, thereby making themselves complicit in it, men ofc do not make such a choice. the choice comes later when you find yourself among misogynists and fail to speak up, or uncritically buy into misogynistic narratives abt women that make oneself feel comfort

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Anonymous OP 19h

nobody in this comment section is saying you carry some original sin for being born a man. patriarchal societies produce men that implicitly affirm those same structures (often to the detriment of the man, too, as other commenters pointed out), and those that neglect to interrogate their societal conditioning find themselves perpetuating the structural injustices we describe. men are bastards when they fail to do so, and proceed w/ blissful ignorance, at the expense of the women in their lives

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