Anonymous shield_of_democracy 16w

And this is not me saying that it’s okay to target anyone of Chinese ancestry, but we need to be more intense on our screenings and questioning of Chinese immigrants moving forward. We also need to revisit our immigration policies from foreign countries that are hostile towards us.

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Anonymous shield_of_democracy 16w

We need to take national defense more seriously

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Anonymous shield_of_democracy 16w

What if I just don’t care about any of that. I really DONT think we need to take national defense more seriously. Cause like ffs we are the United States we have been overdoing national defense for decades. EUROPE needs to take national defense more seriously but we need to chill the fuck out and think about what rejecting intelligent Chinese students will do to regress our education system.

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Anonymous #4 16w

Because the downturn of US political unity has been a direct result of disregard of national security. We have FSB and CCP assets in government, news sources parroting Russian State Media as fact on places like Fox News, we have Elon Musk, who is rumored to be a Kompromot, having direct ties to our government operations (as of 1 hour ago he’s gone). We learned our lesson once and we can’t afford to do so again

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Anonymous #4 16w

They are investing billions every year to keep us at odds with one another, keeping us confused so we can’t unite against the common threat. They want to divide us so we can’t challenge them anymore.

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Anonymous shield_of_democracy 16w

That may be true but how exactly does barring more Chinese students help with that? None of those things would be accomplished by spies posing as college students. The thing you mentioned them doing was stealing documents and I’m saying that idgaf about that. The Chinese government would just find a new way to get them if we stopped this one. I don’t think cutting off our universities from the next most powerful world nations citizens is gonna do anything besides brain drain us

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Anonymous #4 16w

I at no point said we need to bar them entirely. But I did suggest we need to have more robust screening methods when dealing with Chinese students and people coming and looking for work. They still have rights afforded to them like every other immigrant should, but they need to vetted so that we aren’t letting in people that have the singular goal of destabilizing this country.

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Anonymous #4 16w

And incite further racism against Chinese people. Like fucking come on what are we doing punishing the citizens of another nation as a solution to this problem? The media influence foreign governments have on us is definitely a problem but I cannot for the life of me see how the hell this is a solution to that. Maybe idk we could stop them from hacking us every month. And figure out who they’re paying in our government.

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Anonymous shield_of_democracy 16w

I.E we need to fund the offices that handle immigrant and visa applications so they can hire more workers and have higher quality training

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Anonymous #4 16w

That seems more productive than randomly punishing a bunch of 20 something Chinese kids because they MIGHT be spies sending the CCP information that they could still get some other way even if we kicked the spies out.

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Anonymous shield_of_democracy 16w

Even still I don’t see how that would solve the problem you’re looking to solve. Again I don’t really think they NEED the spies exclusively to get this information. And even if it wouldn’t bar them entirely the rhetoric we’re using as well as the friction in the system we’re creating still will cause brain drain.

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Anonymous #4 16w

This is the 3rd Red Scare in action. A majority of Chinese children are taught that the USA is the enemy. They aren’t taught that as heavily as they were back in the 90’s, but they are conditioned to hate us from the beginning. Look up the nicknames they give us, if I repeat it here I’ll get timed out again

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Anonymous #4 16w

Spies, social engineering, cyber warfare. They have many methods of gaining intelligence, spies are only the surface level information scrapers

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Anonymous shield_of_democracy 16w

Okay so in that case why on earth would you wanna ESCALATE tensions? And make the Chinese people hate us even MORE. Especially if you admit yourself that they don’t need spies to get information. What’s even the point. All it seems to me is that it’ll further drive relations apart and cause us to lose potentially genius students that could contribute to our universities and country. We could be treating this like a diplomatic effort to show Chinese students that we DONT hate them

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Anonymous #4 16w

But instead you choose to escalate tensions for no reason? Cause if China can get the information in other ways there’s no point in stopping them from just using the spies. At least the spies can be monitored. And at least this way the regular students don’t feel alienated and potentially bring that sentiment back home or even stay here and contribute to the US.

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Anonymous #4 16w

The problem is that tensions are already well escalated. We are reacting to a genuine threat. And making the pathway for spies to reach mission critical and sensitive information is an absolute must. We have been too lax with our security and it has already had severe consequences. Leaking “documents” means putting the lives of our military, citizens, and allies at risk.

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Anonymous #4 16w

I’m not going to go in circles with you tonight. I’m not entirely educated on national defense, but I know enough that allowing people in from a country that sees us as an enemy is a potential security risk. Not everyone is innocent just as not everyone is guilty, but the issue isn’t black and white and doesn’t have a concrete solution.

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Anonymous shield_of_democracy 16w

Who’s commenting? I think they have me blocked :(

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Anonymous not_jolly_roger 16w

It’s an anon

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Anonymous shield_of_democracy 16w

Ah

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Anonymous shield_of_democracy 16w

Yea I don’t really wanna do that either. I’m not entirely educated on that either. I know there is a danger but I worry about the cost of smth like this. I always am hesitant to involve civilians in disputes like this. Two intelligence agencies fighting in the background is one thing but getting regular people involved gets hairy. Not to mention I am still worried about brain drain. I do see the risk for them potentially hurting people but I just feel like this solution is heavy handed.

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Anonymous #8 16w

Yea you know you do have a point. I don’t wanna put people at risk I just worry about this particular method. I know things are escalated but they can always get more escalated.

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Anonymous shield_of_democracy 16w

Many international students (especially in the “critical fields” which I’m assuming is STEM) are graduate students, meaning they are providing research for their universities. If we kick all these people out, that research will still get done, we will just never get to know the results.

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Anonymous #10 16w

I know, and it’s an unfortunate circumstance that we’re being pushed to that limit by practicing this doctrine of containment surrounding this threat of espionage

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Anonymous #10 16w

Instead of bei mg reactive we’ve been forced into the stance of being proactive, something we haven’t been since the late 80’s. It’s awful and I hate it

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Anonymous yesmam 16w

“work with DHS to aggressively revoke visas for Chinese students”

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Anonymous OP 16w

Yeah, maybe they shouldn’t infiltrate our government with spies, make secret immigration centers, invade U.S allies (Taiwan), threaten the U.S with weapons by invading Aerospace of both the U.S and it’s Allie’s, and continue to commit cyberwarfare against the U.S media. If the U.S did the same with Israeli’s or Russians nobody would care but if it’s a person from China all of a sudden they care.

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Anonymous OP 16w

They have police stations here in the US, I wish I was joking

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Anonymous #14 16w

It doesn’t need to be; they think every Asian person is Chinese

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Anonymous #18 16w

For the longest time they viewed themselves as our “competitor” to their own detriment. Sacrificing the foundation they needed to build a proper country. China’s worst enemy is China. USA is USA. There doesn’t have to be a bad guy.

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Anonymous #18 16w

To anyone unaware of the state of the conflict, this is a pretty good summary from USAF https://youtu.be/Kqk_H0Jka-A

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Anonymous #16 16w

China is literally ahead of us in so many fields -EV, manufacturing, high speed rail, higher education, and advanced critical technologies (semiconductors, gravitational sensing, computing, quantum sensing, and space launching technologies) Yeah obviously theyre not as “free” as we are but to say their rivalry with us has been detrimental to them has no basis in reality, it’s just propaganda you’ve been fed your whole life.

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Anonymous #19 16w

Have you seen any of the things they claim they are ahead of us with your own eyes? Friend just got back from a work trip there: empty cities, dystopian conditions, claims of grandeur when in actuality their nepotism and cronyism is crippling. They don’t even know who’s actually keeping the lights on, and surely don’t appreciate those that do.

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Anonymous #16 16w

Lmao

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