Anonymous #1 3d

True and true, actually. Blind ignorance doesn’t make you correct lol

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Anonymous #2 3d

In my deep blue city, our upper level jobs have DEI. You have to take an exam to determine eligibility to work in the city. If you’re eligible, you’re placed on a list for two years, and your placement is determined by your score relative to others who took the exam. Two groups receive 10 point curves on the exam: “Legacy” (child of a dead first responder) and Veterans…

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Anonymous #3 3d

Specifically lowering SAT standards for black people increased black percentage enrollment (and dropout rate) in higher ed at the expense of lowering enrollement of high scoring asians and whites. Find me an example thats as institutionally racist against black people

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Anonymous #5 3d

That’s not an example of DEI to begin with. DEI is a specific thing and you don’t know what it is lol

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Anonymous #3 3d

yeah it’s just racism

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Anonymous #5 3d

Ignoring the fact that there’s no source for that graphic to begin with, You can argue that in a comment thread focused on that topic. This one is focused on DEI. Do you have any points actually relevant to DEI? Because it seems you just want an excuse to vent about shit that isn’t relevant to it lol

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Anonymous #3 3d

it is institutional racism. u can find other date just like it.

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Anonymous #5 3d

dude are you actually stupid? institutional racism is why this is literally necessary. do you think every neighborhood and school has the exact same income? and does this happen by magic or is it maybe the after effects of past extreme structural racism? like is it actually possible for you to think beyond surface level? genuine question

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Anonymous #5 3d

what is the timeframe of this data? you have to include that information when talking about growth over time.

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Anonymous #6 3d

what institutional racism can u point to where white people have actively lower standards for qualification than black people? i provided two examples

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Anonymous #5 3d

“people are racist therefore institutional racism is good”

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Anonymous #5 3d

Funny enough, even if that data is accurate, DEI policies help to prevent affirmative action like that from happening. They quite literally benefit all demographics equally but you’re not having it because conservative media has convinced you they’re the opposite of what they are lol

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here: https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2023-black-lives-matter-equal-opportunity-corporate-diversity/

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maybe i just think black people are perfectly capable of reaching the same standards that i have to, and therefore should not receive preferential treatment specifically on the basis of their skin color

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Anonymous #5 3d

where did i mention interpersonal racism? can you not even read? did you take history and english or are you like 6 years old? jesus christ

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Anonymous #3 3d

Dei policies are equivalent to affirmative action. different treatment specifically based on the color of skin.

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Anonymous #5 3d

No one is saying they should because DEI doesn’t enable that lol. Again, you’re confused about what DEI actually is. It’s not affirmative action.

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Anonymous #3 3d

What is it then?

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Anonymous #4 3d

Ngl man this sounds like it’s straight out the plot of a 2010s apocalyptic/post-apocalyptic YA novel

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Anonymous #5 3d

They are not equivalent to affirmative action lol. DEI is designed to enable the same treatment for all instead of preferential treatment to some. It’s quite literally the opposite of what you’re accusing it of being lol

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Anonymous #3 3d

“equity” the E, is not Equal treatment. If it was diversity, equality, and inclusion there’d be no misunderstanding

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Anonymous #5 3d

In hiring processes, for example, DEI functions by making sure job applications and notices are accessible to literally everyone, regardless of race, gender, disability, veteran status, ANYTHING. DEI does not consist of hiring quotas. Again, that is affirmative action. They’re two different things.

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Anonymous #5 3d

i’ll ask again since it somehow went over your head. does everyone in the united states of america have the exact same amount of resources and opportunities? if not, why? is it magic or is it rooted in racist and classist structures? do you think when something happens, there are no lasting effects?

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Anonymous #6 3d

It’s pretty random. And past racism, which was uprooted and made illegal (until affirmative action) before both you and I were born, does not justify current racism.

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Anonymous #5 3d

The reason the word “equity” is used is because, in the office, it consists of making special accommodations for certain individuals. Examples would include wheelchair ramps or making sure cafeterias serve kosher, halal or vegan options if they have employees that require those options. In that case, you’re having to put forth extra effort to accommodate employees to be as comfortable as anyone else. That’s the “equity” there.

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Anonymous #5 3d

That is to say, regardless of current resources or opportunity, everyone has the opportunity to create more opportunity and resources and achieve what they want, regardless of skin color

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Anonymous #3 3d

demanding a corporation accommodate for someones dietary choices? Corporations are already incentivized to make employees as comfortable as possible. Ramps and stuff are already legally mandated, and thus not included in dei.

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Anonymous #5 3d

you do realize your entire mindset is childish idealism right? “anyone can do anything ever because they can” like you genuinely need to grow up dawg. i think it’s also crazy how you basically admitted you think when something ends historically, it has no impact on the present. are you being serious?

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Anonymous #6 3d

I am grown up dog holy shit I’m advocating against institutional racism like what are we doing? Yes you were born with the same rights as me and thus have the same opportunity to life libery and happiness. Institutionally judging people on a preconceived basis of race and lowering/rasing standards at the expense/gain of some but not others impedes that same opportunity.

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Anonymous #5 3d

yeah call me childish but in the USA people can do anything ever because they can. i’m not gonna pretend our country isnt the land of opportunity, equality and freedom.

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Anonymous #5 3d

dude your entire view of how the world works is based on idealism. you are not taking any anything into account except what you can interpret at face value. like you understand basic ideas, but you don’t know how they connect. you think history is a flat line and when something ends, it just ends. if you can’t understand why that’s a stupid way of thinking, then i can’t help you. the world is not as cookie cutter as you think it is

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Anonymous #5 3d

Regardless of whether or not you agree with DEI as an incentive for ensuring employee accommodations, the main problem is that you’ve equated it with affirmative action, which it isn’t. They’re not the same thing and don’t have the same goals. I’m not sure where exactly that confusion started but here we are.

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Anonymous #2 3d

“in the city” is kinda inaccurate. “for the city” is more accurate since it’s for city jobs, my bad. But it’s the fact that Republicans’ definition of DEI “lowering a bar” only happens for groups they’d support. Meanwhile, the real definition of DEI widens a door to find talent from other places.

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Anonymous #5 3d

yes this is literally a childish way of thinking

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Anonymous #4 3d

Okay at first I thought you were trying to paint a picture of some fictional dystopian metropolis, that’s my bad. Only took a shot at you because I thought you were spreading misinfo, so my apologies. But yeah, that’s exactly what I’m talking about with white lower class men, especially those in extremely rural and poor areas. Colleges want to “recruit” them into farming tech and science studies so they can advance those careers and hopefully improve the economic situation back home

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Anonymous #2 3d

But without DEI, they’re obviously much less likely to get into those programs because they generally lack the academic qualifications necessary to be accepted into higher education institutions. They also lack the finances to attend, even if they do get accepted at all, because all those scholarships are being pulled. (Just explaining this for anyone who wasn’t aware of how DEI was benefiting white men)

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Anonymous #2 2d

All good! It’s a real life experience of mine applying for city jobs and does sound lowkey dystopian but I swear to god that’s the situation for civil service jobs and other upper level positions. I even have the email. All this just for a CHANCE at the job too 😭

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